Why have Wyverns still not been nerfed?

[Coe⁧⁧✔️[Quality Control]]

I've been playing ARK on and off now for 1-2 years and in literally every single server I've joined, people have bases just LITTERED with dozens of Wyverns. I join brand new, recently wiped servers.. People have Wyverns. I go to maps that don't natively have Wyverns.. Wyverns everywhere. I go to servers advertising "NO WYVERN SPAWNS!"... People STILL have Wyverns?

They're the fastest flying mounts (introduced in a game that already had an overwhelming flying meta established) AND the largest, they have devastating projectile ranged attacks that go through walls & damage riders ontop of dinosaurs massively similar to explosions (that also turn Plant Species X & Electrical cables into toast), they get de-facto 20-30% damage resistance & damage boosts from the imprinting process since they're acquired from spawned-in fertilized eggs, they're incredibly intimidating by apperance, they can carry anything Quetzals can, growing one (or several up) is the easiest and most lax out of all dinos I've raised since their food literally depletes just a few digits every couple of minutes and the list just goes on.

Until today, I've been purposefully avoiding getting one myself but after having a player effortlessly catch up to me on a poison Wyvern while i was in a full-speed dive going 5000 km/h in a wingsuit from a very high altitude, I've decided to try them.. And it's just, what the actual f*ck is this OPness? Their ONLY downside is that you can't put a saddle on them (something that's in itself another upside due to requiring no resource cost to ride them).. Which they don't need since their baseline HP is over 5 times higher than that of an Argentavis and almost twice of a Griffin.

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For you that are unaware, Here is how you get the most powerful flying mount in the game in 6 short steps.

1. Spawn on the beach and start picking berries.

2. Kill some dodos, make a mortar and pestle and make some narcotics.

3. Throw a bola on a nearby Pteranodon(s) on the beach, shoot it in the head with a few tranq arrows and tame it (or just use a slingshot/club).

4. Make a saddle for your Pteranodon, fly to your local Wyvern hang-out and snag a level 190 egg or six.

5. Fly away from the aggroed Wyverns by literally just going in-between a few trees, or in a worst case scenario, jump into some water. If you die, just go back to your corpse. Worst case scenario, you might have to tame another dino and fly past him/her with Wyverns on you (or just utilize the Wyvern trap in 6.B ). They will COMPLETELY ignore you and instead attack the other tamed dino, allowing you to get away with literally level 1-50 Pteranodons.

6. Make a few campfires and toss your egg(s) into them and wait. Once/Before it hatches:

A) Go tame a level 1 Daeodon in 10 minutes. Put him next to your Wyvern and turn on the passive heal ability. Once your Wyvern gets to 0 food, start feeding it/them your previously picked Stimberries to remove the torpor until he's grown up.

B) Slap a few dinosaur gates together and lure a level 1-15 female wyvern into them using your Pteranodon. Shoot it in the face a few times until it gets unconcious, then steal the milk and feed it to your Wyvern(s) until they're grown up. During the imprinting process, they will ONLY ask for this milk (requiring no effort or infrastructure from you to get a kibble farm going) which allows you to get a near effortless imprinted Wyvern due to them only wanting: Hand-fed milk, a hug (press E) or a walk (take 5 steps).

Congratulations. Nothing in ARK is no longer a threat to you.. And you're probably around level 30-40 at this point.

[Vesuvius]

Originally posted by Coe:

, Wyverns currently have no competition other than from other Wyverns.

You mean other then turrets and griffin bombing and high powered firearms.....

You are attempting to equate Comparison with Countermeasure.

The wyvern is Supposed to rule the skies... that doesnt equate to it having no feasible countermeasures.

You have yet to demonstrate that they are OP.... if they were OP... that would have to mean that there are no.. or not enough countermeasures.... wich there clearly are.

[123]

I never specifically mentioned "just" the PVE side. In fact, i included a PVP segment in my OP which you've just basically admitted to not reading fully, something that's also seen from your poorly structured argument that I'm now gonna go ahead and deconstruct.

The idea that they overpreform in PVP is simply ludicrous. They are simply too frail and their stats can never be consolidated.

To re-iterate the neatly contructed list I did in the OP that you either didn't read or understand.. To get a level 190 Wyvern, you need:

1. A pteranodon (with a saddle) that's found on the beach where you spawn(Level pretty irrelevant, just needs half decent stamina)

2. Stim berries and a level 1 Daeodon (or a few stone dino gates to lure a Wyvern into, even wood works due to their low level damage)

3. Some campfires.

In the time I could find a 190 wyvern egg I could raise more than a dozen pteras, and raise a dozen more by the time it matures. Also I find it curious you mention a lvl 1 daedon, a creature you cannot obtain on official servers thus indicating you play mainly on unofficial which means you experience is vastly diffrent from those on official.

Compare this to solo taming, say.. Another flying creature roughly the same size, AKA a Quetzal and you're literally talking out of your *ss right now. I'm not even gonna bring up the fact that you again, as mentioned in the OP; don't even need to make a saddle before flying it, which Quetzals (and most other flying dinos need https://i.imgur.com/IV9HcbI.png )

Okay, I suppose the direwolf is also OP because you don't need a saddle. How ludicrous, the fact you cannot equip it with a saddle is detrimental. You clearly don't realize how useful saddle armor is.

"They're the fastest, but they're only slightly faste-" Come on, dude. Speed dictates agility and the only reason Pteranodons have an edge in this is because they're literally 1/10th the size with no stamina to show for it.

Speed and agility is the most vital aspects of aerial pvp. The ptera is nearly as fast, far more agile, and far easier to replace than a wyvern make it a superior aerial combatant. The griffon using the swoop can also outpace the wyvern and you can use it to snipe tames which also gives it far more uses in pvp. The tapejara is the tame with the most viable tek saddle which also makes it crucial for pvp. The wyverns only use it to pick dismounted zinos, stegos, and trikes.

A) You don't need a saddle. This is a benefit as I brought up in the OP. You've instead got the highest base HP for a flyer

A high hp pool means ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if you take far more damage per shot than another dinosaur. Seriously your ignorance of how important saddle armor is astounding:

2:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkDHSPP9MSg&t=309s

A primitive saddle can reduce up to 50 percent damage. That is huge. Not to mention the sheer size of the wyvern makes it inherently more vunerable to fire since even a half blind player could easily shoot it.

in the game ontop of a 20-30% default Imprint damage reduction.

Except, that is not guaranteed because the player that imprinted it may not be online when pvp is occuring and its not like the wyvern is the only flyer that can get an imprint bonus, with the exception of griffons all flyers can be imprinted and recive further damage reduction ontop of their saddle armor.

Again, most flyers get wrecked by turrets for good reason, regardless if they got a saddle or not.

I am not talking about turrets I am talking about guns like shotguns and snipers.

B) Yet again, another benefit. Breeding have inherent limits ontop of being absurdly time consuming and resource & infrastructure intensive. Wyverns, you 'literally' pick them up from the ground and you're golden.

Breeding is time consuming because it is absoluetly neccessary to stay competitive. The fact that you cannot breed wyverns is a detriment not a positive. Also you don't seem to realize that raising a wyvern is still time consuming, you have to wait close to four days for one to mature on official time, during that time you could tame several dozen creatures if you have the kibble/mutton at hand.

It doesn't take skill. You can literally just watch a Youtube video (which there are probably hundreds) of people guiding you through every single step of the process which you can follow yourself with little to no risk depending on the prep work you're willing to do.
The fact of the matter is: It's not hard once you know it, and it's not hard to learn it.

Neither does hatching a clutch of pteras. In fact there is zero skill or risk that goes into that.

The sheer amount of Wyvern-cluttered infested servers is a living testament to this.

Wyverns are popular because they look cool and they are convenient for travel not because they are OP.

Will probably stop reading and replying to this thread now, though. Did not take long for wyvern owners to come rushing in here to try and twist my words & spout out nonsense.

Seems like you are just incapble of defending your warped view of game balance.

Butcher their speed to not make the largest (and most easily obtainable) flying war machines also the fastest,

Speed is the one good thing they have going for them. Remove that and they will be comple garbo.

fix their breaths & effects penetrating through walls

If you have a decent amount of turrets a wyverns ability to kill things through walls is completelty negible threat.

and perhaps not have said breaths apply both to riders & dinos at the same time,

If you managed to get sniped off your mount by a poison wyverns breath attack you deserved to get killed. Aiming that ♥♥♥♥ is difficult.

remove the ability for players to be able to stand on them like they're quetzals with a metal platform saddle..

What is at all op about that? If you are in combat and try sniping off your wyvern like a griffon your wyvern will be shot down within a minute.

[Lordbufu]

Originally posted by Coe:

4. Make a saddle for your Pteranodon, fly to your local Wyvern hang-out and snag a level 190 egg or six.

Could you make a youtube video about this plz, id like to see you snag 6 190 eggs in as short of a time as you claim you can.

[Kblocks]

aberration doesn't have wyverns

[Elliebird]

While I may not agree with everything that OP says, he does bring up some good points. The effort vs reward is massively skewed. It's an extremely simple thing to acquire eggs, and you only need one high level lightning egg to start clearing out the scar to spawn camp other high level eggs. Getting wyverns is a lot easier than getting legit tames.

I generally have a wyvern before I have a longneck rifle. While I don't think that wyverns should be nerfed, I DO think that they should be harder to get. Make the effort equal to the reward.

[123]

There's an easier way on pve server. Tame an Argentavis and Ankylosaur, since Argy can carry Anky now it's easy to farm metal, can just buy wyvern for 5k+ ingot and climb onto the highest food chain in a shorter time.

But this game isn't just acquiring the best predator and done. There are many things to do than just that. It depends on your interest to the game. If you don't like it chances are doesn't matter what the game has to offer you'll find a way to not like it.

[Crysta]

Originally posted by Coe:

Originally posted by TEM187:

What would you suggest to nerf them?

Butcher their speed to not make the largest (and most easily obtainable) flying war machines also the fastest, fix their breaths & effects penetrating through walls and perhaps not have said breaths apply both to riders & dinos at the same time, remove the ability for players to be able to stand on them like they're quetzals with a metal platform saddle..

I could write a laundry-list of things but this problem is so deeply rooted down into the mainstream & community by having them be introduced in the first place, i don't see Wildcard having any actual applicable, branching solution to this mess that wouldn't involve reworking all flying dinos in the game.

sounds to me like you just have had bad issues with them. For starters, you can't just grab and hatch them. It takes sometime, and you may be mowed down by enemies. Second, on official, its 4 days of work. Thats 4 days of needing to be with them every 8 hours, and much longer while its a baby. And they aren't all great. I had a 190 fire born with 7800 hp, and 780 stam. The stam is worse then a ptera, and thats bummer hp. And good luck taking them to other servers unless you have connections. I was killed trying to bring a lvl 85 griffin to my server. Personally, if u want to complain, complain. But official is broken in my opinion, and if you don't want so called OP wyverns, join a friendly unofficial server. But either way, this is a game, and i hope everyone has fun :)

[Georgefloydius]

5 pumps with a pump, dont need nerf.

[bowmanz607]

Originally posted by 123:

I never specifically mentioned "just" the PVE side. In fact, i included a PVP segment in my OP which you've just basically admitted to not reading fully, something that's also seen from your poorly structured argument that I'm now gonna go ahead and deconstruct.

The idea that they overpreform in PVP is simply ludicrous. They are simply too frail and their stats can never be consolidated.

To re-iterate the neatly contructed list I did in the OP that you either didn't read or understand.. To get a level 190 Wyvern, you need:

1. A pteranodon (with a saddle) that's found on the beach where you spawn(Level pretty irrelevant, just needs half decent stamina)

2. Stim berries and a level 1 Daeodon (or a few stone dino gates to lure a Wyvern into, even wood works due to their low level damage)

3. Some campfires.

In the time I could find a 190 wyvern egg I could raise more than a dozen pteras, and raise a dozen more by the time it matures. Also I find it curious you mention a lvl 1 daedon, a creature you cannot obtain on official servers thus indicating you play mainly on unofficial which means you experience is vastly diffrent from those on official.

Compare this to solo taming, say.. Another flying creature roughly the same size, AKA a Quetzal and you're literally talking out of your *ss right now. I'm not even gonna bring up the fact that you again, as mentioned in the OP; don't even need to make a saddle before flying it, which Quetzals (and most other flying dinos need https://i.imgur.com/IV9HcbI.png )

Okay, I suppose the direwolf is also OP because you don't need a saddle. How ludicrous, the fact you cannot equip it with a saddle is detrimental. You clearly don't realize how useful saddle armor is.

"They're the fastest, but they're only slightly faste-" Come on, dude. Speed dictates agility and the only reason Pteranodons have an edge in this is because they're literally 1/10th the size with no stamina to show for it.

Speed and agility is the most vital aspects of aerial pvp. The ptera is nearly as fast, far more agile, and far easier to replace than a wyvern make it a superior aerial combatant. The griffon using the swoop can also outpace the wyvern and you can use it to snipe tames which also gives it far more uses in pvp. The tapejara is the tame with the most viable tek saddle which also makes it crucial for pvp. The wyverns only use it to pick dismounted zinos, stegos, and trikes.

A) You don't need a saddle. This is a benefit as I brought up in the OP. You've instead got the highest base HP for a flyer

A high hp pool means ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if you take far more damage per shot than another dinosaur. Seriously your ignorance of how important saddle armor is astounding:

2:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkDHSPP9MSg&t=309s

A primitive saddle can reduce up to 50 percent damage. That is huge. Not to mention the sheer size of the wyvern makes it inherently more vunerable to fire since even a half blind player could easily shoot it.

in the game ontop of a 20-30% default Imprint damage reduction.

Except, that is not guaranteed because the player that imprinted it may not be online when pvp is occuring and its not like the wyvern is the only flyer that can get an imprint bonus, with the exception of griffons all flyers can be imprinted and recive further damage reduction ontop of their saddle armor.

Again, most flyers get wrecked by turrets for good reason, regardless if they got a saddle or not.

I am not talking about turrets I am talking about guns like shotguns and snipers.

B) Yet again, another benefit. Breeding have inherent limits ontop of being absurdly time consuming and resource & infrastructure intensive. Wyverns, you 'literally' pick them up from the ground and you're golden.

Breeding is time consuming because it is absoluetly neccessary to stay competitive. The fact that you cannot breed wyverns is a detriment not a positive. Also you don't seem to realize that raising a wyvern is still time consuming, you have to wait close to four days for one to mature on official time, during that time you could tame several dozen creatures if you have the kibble/mutton at hand.

It doesn't take skill. You can literally just watch a Youtube video (which there are probably hundreds) of people guiding you through every single step of the process which you can follow yourself with little to no risk depending on the prep work you're willing to do.
The fact of the matter is: It's not hard once you know it, and it's not hard to learn it.

Neither does hatching a clutch of pteras. In fact there is zero skill or risk that goes into that.

The sheer amount of Wyvern-cluttered infested servers is a living testament to this.

Wyverns are popular because they look cool and they are convenient for travel not because they are OP.

Will probably stop reading and replying to this thread now, though. Did not take long for wyvern owners to come rushing in here to try and twist my words & spout out nonsense.

Seems like you are just incapble of defending your warped view of game balance.

Butcher their speed to not make the largest (and most easily obtainable) flying war machines also the fastest,

Speed is the one good thing they have going for them. Remove that and they will be comple garbo.

fix their breaths & effects penetrating through walls

If you have a decent amount of turrets a wyverns ability to kill things through walls is completelty negible threat.

and perhaps not have said breaths apply both to riders & dinos at the same time,

If you managed to get sniped off your mount by a poison wyverns breath attack you deserved to get killed. Aiming that ♥♥♥♥ is difficult.

remove the ability for players to be able to stand on them like they're quetzals with a metal platform saddle..

What is at all op about that? If you are in combat and try sniping off your wyvern like a griffon your wyvern will be shot down within a minute.

damn near everything i wanted to say, and then some, but was way to lazy to debate and type out haha!

[Paroxyde]

Do you play on official?
How long have you played PvP?

1- Rock drake can out run a wyvern if you know how to pilot them correctly, have access to tek saddle for 3 seats or a dual seater that has a lot of armor and you can latch and shoot while being camo... Granted they are bad at direct confrontation, but they have more use in PvP than wyvern and theybare just as easy to raise if not easier. They are thyla 2.0. Mount of choice for small skirmishes and raiding bobs.

2- Using a low level piggy is stupid and unrealistic on official except if you wait for x3. And by doing the piggy, it means you have no milk prepared, which makes you unable to imprint and then the 30% rider bonus is gone.

3- A good saddle changes everything. I guess you've never had your hands on a 120 saddle. You can shrug off so much shots on a quetz with a good saddle...

4- Wyvern eggs level are not random. They take one of the close wyvern's level when the egg spawn. A 190 need a 180 alpha wyvern to be somewhere in the trench. Good luck finding one on official.

[Serangel]

From what Ive gathered reading through this disucssion is the Op has no guage on something effectiveness, esentially, opinion on wyverns > opinons other flyers = wyvern is op. He even admits he had never used a wyvern until now. "Until today, I've been purposefully avoiding getting one myself". Op is now an expert after a few minutes of using a forced tamed wyvern in single player.

[Yaka]

Wyverns are bad enough already.
They're slow, they have the worst turning radius, they're hard to get hold of / raise.
Also: they dont have a saddle, so no additional armor protection.
IMO: The most dangerous Wyvern is the lightning wyvern, most DPS of them all.

[Chiludo]

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[Toto]

How do you end up calling wyverns OP nowadays, I don't know.

They are a joke in PvP, with most of their uses making PvE life easier instead, but maybe the poison wyvern being used as support in taking down enemy brontos.
Their eggs aren't hard to get, but you do need some planning and Monster Energy before hatching one.
They don't have saddles, which makes them extremely vulnerable, as does their horrible horrible turning radius and gigantic look compared to other fliers.

Edit for addressing other arguments:
Why would you expect a creature that eats only milk when it's a baby take kibble for imprint, I don't know. Might aswell call Rock Drakes OP too just for that.
The fastest flying mount in the game is the griffin. How do you get that wrong?
"Nothing in ARK is a threat to you" ..except any other flier.(don't talk to me of pelagornis please).

This post would have made perfect sense if it was addressed for singleplayer or PvE. But it's not.

[IndirectHero]

Originally posted by Coe:

I've been playing ARK on and off now for 1-2 years and in literally every single server I've joined, people have bases just LITTERED with dozens of Wyverns. I join brand new, recently wiped servers.. People have Wyverns. I go to maps that don't natively have Wyverns.. Wyverns everywhere. I go to servers advertising "NO WYVERN SPAWNS!"... People STILL have Wyverns?

They're the fastest flying mounts (introduced in a game that already had an overwhelming flying meta established) AND the largest, they have devastating projectile ranged attacks that go through walls & damage riders ontop of dinosaurs massively similar to explosions (that also turn Plant Species X & Electrical cables into toast), they get de-facto 20-30% damage resistance & damage boosts from the imprinting process since they're acquired from spawned-in fertilized eggs, they're incredibly intimidating by apperance, they can carry anything Quetzals can, growing one (or several up) is the easiest and most lax out of all dinos I've raised since their food literally depletes just a few digits every couple of minutes and the list just goes on.

Until today, I've been purposefully avoiding getting one myself but after having a player effortlessly catch up to me on a poison Wyvern while i was in a full-speed dive going 5000 km/h in a wingsuit from a very high altitude, I've decided to try them.. And it's just, what the actual f*ck is this OPness? Their ONLY downside is that you can't put a saddle on them (something that's in itself another upside due to requiring no resource cost to ride them).. Which they don't need since their baseline HP is over 5 times higher than that of an Argentavis and almost twice of a Griffin.

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For you that are unaware, Here is how you get the most powerful flying mount in the game in 6 short steps.

1. Spawn on the beach and start picking berries.

2. Kill some dodos, make a mortar and pestle and make some narcotics.

3. Throw a bola on a nearby Pteranodon(s) on the beach, shoot it in the head with a few tranq arrows and tame it (or just use a slingshot/club).

4. Make a saddle for your Pteranodon, fly to your local Wyvern hang-out and snag a level 190 egg or six.

5. Fly away from the aggroed Wyverns by literally just going in-between a few trees, or in a worst case scenario, jump into some water. If you die, just go back to your corpse. Worst case scenario, you might have to tame another dino and fly past him/her with Wyverns on you (or just utilize the Wyvern trap in 6.B ). They will COMPLETELY ignore you and instead attack the other tamed dino, allowing you to get away with literally level 1-50 Pteranodons.

6. Make a few campfires and toss your egg(s) into them and wait. Once/Before it hatches:

A) Go tame a level 1 Daeodon in 10 minutes. Put him next to your Wyvern and turn on the passive heal ability. Once your Wyvern gets to 0 food, start feeding it/them your previously picked Stimberries to remove the torpor until he's grown up.

B) Slap a few dinosaur gates together and lure a level 1-15 female wyvern into them using your Pteranodon. Shoot it in the face a few times until it gets unconcious, then steal the milk and feed it to your Wyvern(s) until they're grown up. During the imprinting process, they will ONLY ask for this milk (requiring no effort or infrastructure from you to get a kibble farm going) which allows you to get a near effortless imprinted Wyvern due to them only wanting: Hand-fed milk, a hug (press E) or a walk (take 5 steps).

Congratulations. Nothing in ARK is no longer a threat to you.. And you're probably around level 30-40 at this point.

I found my first level 201 ice wyvern egg put it in my tool belt and was about to hatch it on the ground and then "munch" the sound of regret :(