Why have Wyverns still not been nerfed?

[Coe⁧⁧✔️[Quality Control]]

I've been playing ARK on and off now for 1-2 years and in literally every single server I've joined, people have bases just LITTERED with dozens of Wyverns. I join brand new, recently wiped servers.. People have Wyverns. I go to maps that don't natively have Wyverns.. Wyverns everywhere. I go to servers advertising "NO WYVERN SPAWNS!"... People STILL have Wyverns?

They're the fastest flying mounts (introduced in a game that already had an overwhelming flying meta established) AND the largest, they have devastating projectile ranged attacks that go through walls & damage riders ontop of dinosaurs massively similar to explosions (that also turn Plant Species X & Electrical cables into toast), they get de-facto 20-30% damage resistance & damage boosts from the imprinting process since they're acquired from spawned-in fertilized eggs, they're incredibly intimidating by apperance, they can carry anything Quetzals can, growing one (or several up) is the easiest and most lax out of all dinos I've raised since their food literally depletes just a few digits every couple of minutes and the list just goes on.

Until today, I've been purposefully avoiding getting one myself but after having a player effortlessly catch up to me on a poison Wyvern while i was in a full-speed dive going 5000 km/h in a wingsuit from a very high altitude, I've decided to try them.. And it's just, what the actual f*ck is this OPness? Their ONLY downside is that you can't put a saddle on them (something that's in itself another upside due to requiring no resource cost to ride them).. Which they don't need since their baseline HP is over 5 times higher than that of an Argentavis and almost twice of a Griffin.

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For you that are unaware, Here is how you get the most powerful flying mount in the game in 6 short steps.

1. Spawn on the beach and start picking berries.

2. Kill some dodos, make a mortar and pestle and make some narcotics.

3. Throw a bola on a nearby Pteranodon(s) on the beach, shoot it in the head with a few tranq arrows and tame it (or just use a slingshot/club).

4. Make a saddle for your Pteranodon, fly to your local Wyvern hang-out and snag a level 190 egg or six.

5. Fly away from the aggroed Wyverns by literally just going in-between a few trees, or in a worst case scenario, jump into some water. If you die, just go back to your corpse. Worst case scenario, you might have to tame another dino and fly past him/her with Wyverns on you (or just utilize the Wyvern trap in 6.B ). They will COMPLETELY ignore you and instead attack the other tamed dino, allowing you to get away with literally level 1-50 Pteranodons.

6. Make a few campfires and toss your egg(s) into them and wait. Once/Before it hatches:

A) Go tame a level 1 Daeodon in 10 minutes. Put him next to your Wyvern and turn on the passive heal ability. Once your Wyvern gets to 0 food, start feeding it/them your previously picked Stimberries to remove the torpor until he's grown up.

B) Slap a few dinosaur gates together and lure a level 1-15 female wyvern into them using your Pteranodon. Shoot it in the face a few times until it gets unconcious, then steal the milk and feed it to your Wyvern(s) until they're grown up. During the imprinting process, they will ONLY ask for this milk (requiring no effort or infrastructure from you to get a kibble farm going) which allows you to get a near effortless imprinted Wyvern due to them only wanting: Hand-fed milk, a hug (press E) or a walk (take 5 steps).

Congratulations. Nothing in ARK is no longer a threat to you.. And you're probably around level 30-40 at this point.

[Vesuvius]

Snag a 190 egg or six?.... over exadurate much?

Probably lvl 20?... ptera saddle is lvl 38...

[TheBoxThief]

the reason this post if so funny is because its all so true

[Coe⁧⁧✔️[Quality Control]]

Originally posted by Vesuvius:

Snag a 190 egg or six?.... over exadurate much?

No, sadly. It's not an exaggeration. Wyvern egg levels are completely RNG dependent and they just spawn so frequently and in such number, you literally only have to do a few runs to get the best of the buck.

Originally posted by Vesuvius:

Probably lvl 20?... ptera saddle is lvl 38...

LMAO, yeah my bad. I've lost track due to how explosively fast you level in this game.

[bowmanz607]

Except the fact that they are mowed down in seconds by a turret. Not to mention their base health is not that good. You have to lvl into it. Further, I can cover ground faster on a Griffin. Plus I will take an argy lvl in weight over a dragon as a mule cause of reduced weight. 5hey don't get a platform like a quetzal. Oh and did I mention they get mowed down in seconds by a turret.

[Vesuvius]

Originally posted by The Box Thief:

the reason this post if so funny is because its all so true

Even without the exadurating... the op is saying they are Soooooo easy to get that an instant noob can obtain them.

That just means everyone has equal oportunity to be the exact same "OP"ness.

[Coe⁧⁧✔️[Quality Control]]

Originally posted by bowmanz607:

Except the fact that they are mowed down in seconds by a turret. Not to mention their base health is not that good.

.. Their base health is the best for tamable flyers outside bosses and alphas. It out-does both Griffins and Quetzals. Stop lying to yourself.

As for getting killed by turrets quickly, this is true for any flying mounts. That's why Wyverns can effortlessly carry & drop down Stegosauruses onto said turrets to soak up damage for them. :)

Originally posted by bowmanz607:

You have to lvl into it.

..... Yeah, okay. You're now trying to make a counter-argument by saying that "You have to level them".

Good bye, Mr. Wyvern Owner.

[Coe⁧⁧✔️[Quality Control]]

Originally posted by Vesuvius:

the op is saying they are Soooooo easy to get that an instant noob can obtain them.

That just means everyone has equal oportunity to be the exact same "OP"ness.

Which is exactly the case. And it's a problem. If you have one thing that out-does all other things in basically every single way, look amazing and require basically no investment, materials, levels, engrams or dedication to get, you've got a serious problem which is what this thread is about.

[123]

Because nerfing them would be a terrible idea. Wyverns are not overpowered they are underpowered. The notion that they are overpowered because they make PVE side of the game is ridiculous. So do most of the flyers in the game.

In PVP, which is the balance that really matters, wyverns are pretty underwhelming for the effort needed to get them. Their only real role in PVP is to pick up unmounted enemy trikes and stegs and bring them to friendly lines. The wyverns may be the fastest mount but they are only slightly faster than the pteranadon, a creature that is far easier to obtain and their speed comes at the cost of agility. Furthermore they are completetly hampered by the fact, that, A: they lack saddles so they get quickly shredded by decent guns, specifically shotguns and B: you cannot breed them.

[Orvman]

I don't know many players that have not played for hours and hours that are comfortable doing the steps you gave above for maturing a wyvern. It takes more skilll than one may think doing the 8 or 9 things outlined as a new player. If a player actually succeeds by doing the stuff outlined above in the initial post, they will have asuredly put in the time to know how that is done and so I have no problem with them coming over doing that.

[Vesuvius]

Originally posted by Coe:

Originally posted by Vesuvius:

the op is saying they are Soooooo easy to get that an instant noob can obtain them.

That just means everyone has equal oportunity to be the exact same "OP"ness.

Which is exactly the case. And it's a problem. If you have one thing that out-does all other things in basically every single way, look amazing and require basically no investment, materials, levels, engrams or dedication to get, you've got a serious problem which is what this thread is about.

What you are suggesting is that a well established, well defended tribe/base can be wiped by a dude on a wyvern wich simply isnt true.

[Coe⁧⁧✔️[Quality Control]]

Originally posted by 123:

Because nerfing them would be a terrible idea. Wyverns are not overpowered they are underpowered. The notion that they are overpowered because they make PVE side of the game is ridiculous.

I never specifically mentioned "just" the PVE side. In fact, i included a PVP segment in my OP which you've just basically admitted to not reading fully, something that's also seen from your poorly structured argument that I'm now gonna go ahead and deconstruct.

Originally posted by 123:

In PVP, which is the balance that really matters, wyverns are pretty underwhelming for the effort needed to get them.

To re-iterate the neatly contructed list I did in the OP that you either didn't read or understand.. To get a level 190 Wyvern, you need:

1. A pteranodon (with a saddle) that's found on the beach where you spawn(Level pretty irrelevant, just needs half decent stamina)

2. Stim berries and a level 1 Daeodon (or a few stone dino gates to lure a Wyvern into, even wood works due to their low level damage)

3. Some campfires.

Compare this to solo taming, say.. Another flying creature roughly the same size, AKA a Quetzal and you're literally talking out of your *ss right now. I'm not even gonna bring up the fact that you again, as mentioned in the OP; don't even need to make a saddle before flying it, which Quetzals (and most other flying dinos need https://i.imgur.com/IV9HcbI.png )

Originally posted by 123:

Their only real role in PVP is to pick up unmounted enemy trikes and stegs and bring them to friendly lines. The wyverns may be the fastest mount but they are only slightly faster than the pteranadon, a creature that is far easier to obtain and their speed comes at the cost of agility.

"They're the fastest, but they're only slightly faste-" Come on, dude. Speed dictates agility and the only reason Pteranodons have an edge in this is because they're literally 1/10th the size with no stamina to show for it.

Originally posted by 123:

Furthermore they are completetly hampered by the fact, that, A: they lack saddles so they get quickly shredded by decent guns, specifically shotguns and B: you cannot breed them.

A) You don't need a saddle. This is a benefit as I brought up in the OP. You've instead got the highest base HP for a flyer in the game ontop of a 20-30% default Imprint damage reduction. Again, most flyers get wrecked by turrets for good reason, regardless if they got a saddle or not.

B) Yet again, another benefit. Breeding have inherent limits ontop of being absurdly time consuming and resource & infrastructure intensive. Wyverns, you 'literally' pick them up from the ground and you're golden.

Please read the OP next time. Thanks.

[Coe⁧⁧✔️[Quality Control]]

Originally posted by Vesuvius:

What you are suggesting is that a well established, well defended tribe/base can be wiped by a dude on a wyvern wich simply isnt true.

What simply isn't actually true is I never said anything you just said. Turrets wreck Wyverns, just like all other flying "dinosaurs", but with the removal of "Gunship" Quetzals, Wyverns currently have no competition other than from other Wyverns.

[Coe⁧⁧✔️[Quality Control]]

Originally posted by Orvman:

I don't know many players that have not played for hours and hours that are comfortable doing the steps you gave above for maturing a wyvern. It takes more skilll than one may think doing the 8 or 9 things outlined as a new player.

It doesn't take skill. You can literally just watch a Youtube video (which there are probably hundreds) of people guiding you through every single step of the process which you can follow yourself with little to no risk depending on the prep work you're willing to do.

The fact of the matter is: It's not hard once you know it, and it's not hard to learn it. The sheer amount of Wyvern-cluttered infested servers is a living testament to this.

Will probably stop reading and replying to this thread now, though. Did not take long for wyvern owners to come rushing in here to try and twist my words & spout out nonsense.

[TEM187]

What would you suggest to nerf them?

[Coe⁧⁧✔️[Quality Control]]

Originally posted by TEM187:

What would you suggest to nerf them?

Butcher their speed to not make the largest (and most easily obtainable) flying war machines also the fastest, fix their breaths & effects penetrating through walls and perhaps not have said breaths apply both to riders & dinos at the same time, remove the ability for players to be able to stand on them like they're quetzals with a metal platform saddle..

I could write a laundry-list of things but this problem is so deeply rooted down into the mainstream & community by having them be introduced in the first place, i don't see Wildcard having any actual applicable, branching solution to this mess that wouldn't involve reworking all flying dinos in the game.