What is a "wasted stat"?

[MiniViolin]

If I upgrade my speed on my equus will that actually affect it or will I see no difference? how do wasted stats work? thx

[Shiina]

There is no such thing as a wasted stat, if you level movement speed on any creature it will improve speed the more you level it, for example.

My Paracer has about 150 Movement speed and can cover Ragnarok at a decent pace, so leveling your Equus's speed will make it a very fast, versatile mount.

[TyranntX]

no stat is usless, though they are best tailored to a creature's original purpose. When updagrading stats you will notice a slight difference, ut it won't be too noticeable uless you put multiple points into said stat.

[Silver Salvation]

putting points in food on anything but pigs is pretty much wasted.
putting points in oxygen on creatures that dont even swim is also wasted.

[boycey0102]

Originally posted by MiniViolin:

If I upgrade my speed on my equus will that actually affect it or will I see no difference? how do wasted stats work? thx

you are probably referring to more for example a argy, you tame one of them and it tries to level up speed, which cant be levelled since flyer nerf, so the stat is wasted. its a pre tame or during tame thing. After tame you cant waste stats because whatever you put it in will increase something. but before you tame it and in the level boost from taming it, it can try to level up stats that cant be levelled.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by GamerLuc:

putting points in food on anything but pigs is pretty much wasted.
putting points in oxygen on creatures that dont even swim is also wasted.

Oxygen on flyers is definitely wasted. Same with stamina on an iguanodon.

[Ertosi]

Different people use the term "wasted stat" different, but most often its used by those that know the ins and outs of breeding really well to refer to wild levels put into speed, and thus both unused and invisible when looking at their stats. It could just as accurately be used to describe wild levels put into oxygen for aquatics, as that would also be both unused and invisible when looking at their stats.

Others use it more loosely to describe any levels put into other stats they don't consider ideal.

[boycey0102]

Originally posted by Ertosi:

Different people use the term "wasted stat" different, but most often its used by those that know the ins and outs of breeding really well to refer to wild levels put into speed, and thus both unused and invisible when looking at their stats. It could just as accurately be used to describe wild levels put into oxygen for aquatics, as that would also be both unused and invisible when looking at their stats.

Others use it more loosely to describe any levels put into other stats they don't consider ideal.

This, yes, the first part is a better wording of what i was trying to explain the speed part. lol

[retsam1]

Originally posted by MiniViolin:

If I upgrade my speed on my equus will that actually affect it or will I see no difference? how do wasted stats work? thx

You will see a difference though whether or not that is significant for you in terms of your functional use of the dino is subjectively relative.

But there is one hardcoded limitation that can cause an actual true waste/loss though for official servers this isnt an issue. If you put more than 250+ levels worth of points into -one- stat on a dino, on reset the dino will revert to its default setting for that stat and lose all the values put into it. This is something you have to be careful about on servers that are high rate/super boosted stats servers which let you put hundreds of levels on a dino. In some extreme cases players have left over level points even that they have to put into stats that have little need or simply leeave a dino with levels available to allocate.

Again extreme cases but worth mentioning as it is possible to happen.

[Kraken:1]

When people generally refer to 'Wasted Stats' they're generally referring to wild stats distribution and additional bonus points received from the taming of the creature. Wasted points are those that get randomly put into stats that either cannot be used by wild creatures such as speed or oxygen in the case of aquatic dinos, or those that give no actual benefit for a worthwhile strong creature such as food. So as an example, if you were to knock out a 150 wild dino, and you input it stats into a calculator it might show something like this;

Health - 27 points
Stamina -18 points
Oxygen - 22 points
Food - 20 points
Melee - 28 points
Weight - 21 points
Movement Speed - 13 points

The 13 points into movement speed are Wasted points as wild dinos cannot increase their movement speed at all, but those points are still taken into account for the dinos overall level, you'd then be looking at food and oxygen as a high amount of points into those would detract from points that could have instead been put into useful stats such as health or melee. A good dino that you would really want to tame would ideally have very few points into those 3 stats. The exception would be if you are looking for dinos for breeding purposes, in which case you may very well want to find dinos with exceptionally high amounts of points put into food or oxygen in your quest to breed a super dino with the best possible of all stats, but points put into movement speed before the dino is tamed are always totally wasted points.

[sir_palamides]

Originally posted by ✭Shiina Black✭:

There is no such thing as a wasted stat, if you level movement speed on any creature it will improve speed the more you level it, for example.

My Paracer has about 150 Movement speed and can cover Ragnarok at a decent pace, so leveling your Equus's speed will make it a very fast, versatile mount.

Um ... please explain a Quetzal Level 36 , `1800 Health , 900 Stamina. 450 Oxygen,
1400 Food, 950 Weight and 105 Melee Dam ???

Last time i Checked Quetzals don't swim underwatrer ????

[Elliebird]

If you're using a taming calculator of some sort, 'Wasted Points' means wild levels put into movement speed.

It is also used to refer to oxygen levels put into aquatic dinos.

They're called wasted because they are not utilized at all by the dinos. Wild levels in movement speed don't actually increase the speed, and oxygen does the same for aquatics. These are the only truly wasted points in the game. The others, while not ideal, still provide their intended benefit. An example would be Stamina on an Iguanadon. Its not very useful at all, but it DOES increase their stam, which does let you do more, albeit in very limited ways.

[Jesus]

Originally posted by Elenwei:

If you're using a taming calculator of some sort, 'Wasted Points' means wild levels put into movement speed.

It is also used to refer to oxygen levels put into aquatic dinos.

They're called wasted because they are not utilized at all by the dinos. Wild levels in movement speed don't actually increase the speed, and oxygen does the same for aquatics. These are the only truly wasted points in the game. The others, while not ideal, still provide their intended benefit. An example would be Stamina on an Iguanadon. Its not very useful at all, but it DOES increase their stam, which does let you do more, albeit in very limited ways.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Anyone saying there is no wasted points clearly don't understand the stats distribution in the game. There are most deffinitly wasted points on almost every animals you see in this game. It's just mathematics. you'll never find dinos with 0 wasted points. I promise. If the wild RNG doesn't waste any, the tame RNG will. If you want a perfect machine, you need to breed it. Which takes real time and effort.

Wasted stats, by def, are *wild* speed stats on land animal and *wild* oxygen stats on aquatics. They don't get any benefit at all from them so they are completely wasted.

However, most players use 'wasted stats' has "commonly unuseful". Like, why would you want a fighting machine with food and oxygen or weight?? Speed is always arguable but not required either. Save you time but doesn't make it better at killing things which is it's primary function.

So if you tame a level 100 that has 25 'wasted' points, you just lost a quarter of it's levels for no reasons at all. It will forever be a mediocre dino no matter what you do with it, it will never get those points back.

NB; Since the flying nerf, wild flyers don't ever get any pts in speed. The flying speed is always constant now. It doesn't get any before taming, nor with imprint either. Speed on flyers is just not a thing anymore. Like torpor, it's completely taking out of the equation for better or worst. EI. you have better chance of no wasted pts in distribution.


My tip to have a grip on this RNG mechanic, use Dododex stats calculator (google it) and check the stats distribution before heavily investing into breeding specialized dinos. Personally, I prioritize health, melee, stamina over weight and speed. Food and oxygen should not even be an option for any role, it's just not needed for a super dino. Again, depending on your use of course. Farming machines should have weight possibly over health/stam at some point and so forth.

GL!

[=Sarsante=]

When people say wasted stat usually means all the points into movement speed prior leveling up.

Ie all equus have the same speed before leveling up, so if you tame one that has 50 points into movement speed those points are wasted.

All land/water dinos have wasted points into movement speed, some less some more, its luck dependent.

[Jackson]

AFAIK wild animals dont put points in speed, but i may be wrong ( or it got changed). Points in Food are one of the biggest waste of stats in my experience.

[=Sarsante=]

Originally posted by Jackson:

AFAIK wild animals dont put points in speed, but i may be wrong ( or it got changed). Points in Food are one of the biggest waste of stats in my experience.

They do and thats from where the wasted points came from, because they dont gain anything from it.