Underwater bases viable?

[✚ Mariel ✚]

It seems like underwater bases should be viable. With a vacuum compartment beds and generators can be placed there, and you can keep some farming dinos down there too. You cant see it from the air, there's scarce resources underwater so not too likely for players to come by and see it, most tribes dont have a lot of underwater dinos, rocket launchers don't work underwater, the underwater wild dinos can be lethal like the squids and eels, keeping a lot of players at bay for you while your turrets do the rest

Problem is it's tek tier. Since rexes are used to kill bosses you would need lots of bred and tamed up rexes to actually get the BP, plus you'd need to get through the caves for artefacts and beat the medium monkey at least once

But supposing you got a BP. Maybe hid in a forest and bred up rexes, got the BP and then moved everything to the bottom of the ocean. Now the vacuum compartments need element to power right? Just how many compartments do you need to store enough rexes for broodmother?

So you can run a single compartment at 1 element per day. You get 10 per gamma broodmother kill. With 25K HP and 400% damage rexes, how many rexes do you need to kill a gamma broodmother? If you can tame up some higher level rexes then you can probably get by with fewer rexes. Gamma broodmother is easiest to kill and requires the fewest items to challenge, and even if you can take on bigger bosses for more element you will need more vacuum compartments to store more rexes for it so you never really profit from that.

So you beat the medium monkey, then ditch some of your rexes and take the minimum number of well bred rexes down to an underwater compartment and keep some eggs to replace losses as needed. How many compartments do you need to beat Broodmother, and thus how frequently do you need to kill gamma broodmother just to keep this base going?

If BM gamma only needs a few artefacts to challenge each time and you use the glitch to get a lot of them each trip then you can challenge here several times back to back right? Might be worth going for 3-4 vacuum compartments to store 10+ rexes and beat her like 30 times in a row for 40 element, that would keep the compartments going for a month and minimise the time spent grinding the element.

Supposing such a base was built, how could it be defeated? My only thought would be to lock down access to the caves but it would probably be pretty hard to stop people getting in, they could just show up with their rexes and soak while no one is around and then gather 100 artefacts all at once and have enough for a few months of element.

I suppose you could lock down the beacons and supply drops but how are you going to defend all of them? Same problem as with the caves but even harder.

You could try to block access to resources needed to break into the caves such as polymer, oil, pearls, metal and crystal but there's so much of it scattered about and multiple ways of getting it like pingus, trillobites, beaver dams, snails, trace metal in normal rocks etc that you couldnt completely stop it

I'd think the only way would be to locate the base and destroy it. You'd have to be aware there even is an underwater base, finding it would be easy since the island underwater is just a circular corridor, but then how would you assault it? Soak the turrets with turtles? What if the base is defended by battle mosas and squids set to aggressive and follow on HP stacked turtle "anchors", then how do you breach it without having to tame a huge underwater army of your own specifically to destroy it?

And if the occupant of the underwater base wanted to raid surface bases, how could they do it? They only have access to what they can fit in a few vacuum compartments, plus underwater breathing dinos so what does that leave them with? Sarcos, kapras, turtles, the boss rexes (with supply of eggs for replacements), maybe a squid to grab at dinos near the water edge. Could an alpha really be raided without any flyers, gigas or brontos?

Any thoughts on if any of this is even viable in a hypothetical scenario? (No way I'd invest this kind of time by myself)

[Humpenstilzchen]

The problem is you need constantly element to keep this water base going and element can only be gathered by landdinos, which makes a landbase inevitable, which on the other hand renders the underwater base useless.

[✚ Mariel ✚]

But you can keep the land dinos inside the underwater base right? So you use some rexes in a surface base to get the BP and elly, make the underwater base and move them down there. That'll work right? Then just bring them back up to kill broodmother every so often

[Vulture]

Originally posted by Wolfsblut:

The problem is you need constantly element to keep this water base going and element can only be gathered by landdinos, which makes a landbase inevitable, which on the other hand renders the underwater base useless.

Or you could just have a secure land "garage" for dinos in a safeish location.

[guig]

they are lots of things that doesn't make sense in your story :p

- 1rst: the question is not "how many rexes it's requiers" or "i need more for monkey than brood" (which is wrong btw); fact is you can bring 20 dinos, NO MORE. and you need at least 1 pig and 1 yuty , couples are better of course so... do your math and you'll already know what room you need for them.

-2nd: the brood is clearly NOT the easiest boss to kill. it gives lowest number of element, have the highest health and hit in cleaves which deal way more damages on long term fight (which it is). megapithecus is actually way easier and fast (1Mn fight with mega max, easily 5mn for brood), plus even if the mega hits harder on his main target it dies way faster. you will loose dinos easily on brood, very rarely on megapithecus if prepared.

-3rd: if you get to the point you can farm element, you are doing it in alpha not gamma, which gives much more element (and still 1mn fight for megapithecus).

etc....

you clearly don't have enough experience of bosses and end game :p at least not by yourself so you're actually misunderstanding some stuff. try it by yourself.

plus you know you can still adapt values of your game to make easier to farm for you; it's sure that if you expect to build an underwater base on official it will likely never happen, alpha tribes would have ruined you long before that and they don't invest in that kind of stuff. but in unofficial or sp it's clearly a possiblity.

[moTom]

What i don´t get is why and how would you bring your boss rexes into your underwater base? There is no way to start a boss battle down there and if you wan´t to use the Tek teleporter you would need a second one on land, with another Tek generator so you would need 2 Tek bases up and running.

Edit: Also, there are mods which bring the vacuum comp out of Tek tier and let you power them with Gas.

[Darkdestroyer]

On offical its not viable peroid. Modded yes very viable. S+ mod. Vacuum compartments do not need element to function and the S+ beacon lets you summon the boss's. So you need to play non offical with mods to do what you want.

[✚ Mariel ✚]

Ok I'll try to address all these points:

1) I have no idea how many rexes brood or mega require, or what the optimum boss to target is. I know you need different items for gamma, beta and alpha. It might be easier to just get the relics and not the extra for beta and alpha. You also need to balance the number of rexes you need to win with the number of vacuum compartments you can have. You CAN bring 20 rexes into the fight, but can you afford to keep 20 rexes in vacuum compartments on the bottom of the ocean? Is it more worthwhile to keep 20 rexes to fight an alpha or beta mega, or keep much fewer to fight gamma and not have to get the extra items for beta/alpha? Now I have no idea how many rexes you need for g/b/a mega but if you need substantially more for b/a over g in addition to the other items then it's not more efficient to do B or A. However, I have no idea how many rexes it takes or how many compartments you need for 20 rexes

2) I've never fought a boss before, but this is good info for me (I want to at least do gamma before ab launches) so ty

3) But also requires more rexes and resources to start the beta/alpha, which you need to acquire with limited land dinos, and store at the bottom of the sea at a high element cost. Cost vs benefit analysis required here

4) Yeah I don't have any experience with bosses or end game. I get wiped constantly but finall found an unofficial pve server that doesnt wipe so I might someday make it. Especially since this server gives like 50% higher boosts to HP and atk on wild dino level ups. I don't even need to breed rexes for gamma but I will anyway because I've never done it before and want to learn. I'll probably never return to official pvp, or if I do I won't attempt end game due to the kind of time investment and potential massive losses, this is all just hypothetical

5) Yeah but SP is extremely boring, and I doubt I could afford my own server let alone make it successful

6) Two points here. One, the advantage to an underwater base is the other players are less likely to notice you, and it makes you much harder to raid with land dinos, few alphas have significant numbers of sea dinos. Second, you don't need a teleporter to get your dinos to the surface, so long as there are no squids nearby then they can swim just fine. Just use a battle mosa to clear any squids and leeds nearby, then place a raft, sink thatch foundations and widen the platform with a few ramps for access, then swim up your rexes and put some on it and ferry them to the shore a few at a time. Same in reverse to get them back into the base. No risk of having some tosser on a quetzal, a bronto and a giga coming over, soaking turrets with the bronto, then breach and killing your dinos with giga/gatling gun while you are offline since they cant really use those dinos properly at the bottom of the sea

7) I've been looking for a pvp server with underwater base mod that's actually populated but never found any. It would be kinda cool as a mess about server. But the purpose of this thread isn't for me to actually do any of this, I really don't want to ivnest this sort of time, but I just want to discuss if it's actually possible and how it would affect the server dynamic if it were possible

[✚ Mariel ✚]

Wait, S+ makes vac compartments not need element?! Wow that's so cool, do you still need the BP?

[Darkdestroyer]

Yes you still need to unlock it.

[guig]

SP is boring (for you) but you can test what you need ^^
you say you want to know how many cubes it requires to store 20 dinos ? well load sp, spawn blocs with commands and make a try :p then you will know how much ressources you need ^^

noone will do it for you, at best for themselves :p


and yeah you should use S+, cubes are bigger, doesn't require element to work, more options to flood or unflood parts of your base; and S+ others structures (metal etc..) can be placed at the bottom of ocean when normal can't (there is a high/depth limit to placement for them, except sub marine cubes of course)

[moTom]

Originally posted by Kiri:

6) Two points here. One, the advantage to an underwater base is the other players are less likely to notice you, and it makes you much harder to raid with land dinos, few alphas have significant numbers of sea dinos. Second, you don't need a teleporter to get your dinos to the surface, so long as there are no squids nearby then they can swim just fine. Just use a battle mosa to clear any squids and leeds nearby, then place a raft, sink thatch foundations and widen the platform with a few ramps for access, then swim up your rexes and put some on it and ferry them to the shore a few at a time. Same in reverse to get them back into the base. No risk of having some tosser on a quetzal, a bronto and a giga coming over, soaking turrets with the bronto, then breach and killing your dinos with giga/gatling gun while you are offline since they cant really use those dinos properly at the bottom of the sea

I think you imagine that a little bit to easy. No question this can and will work, but it´s gonna be a pain in the *ss to transport your Rex army everytime from your underwater base to an Obelisk. It still sucks to move your Boss team from your land base but that´s with what you have to live. Believe me, you´ll do this once or twice but on a daily basis to keep your element up? Don´t think so.

[moTom]

Originally posted by guig:

and yeah you should use S+, cubes are bigger, doesn't require element to work, more options to flood or unflood parts of your base; and S+ others structures (metal etc..) can be placed at the bottom of ocean when normal can't (there is a high/depth limit to placement for them, except sub marine cubes of course)

You are right with everthing you write but i think the S+ version is a little bit to OP for pvp since they don´t need to be powered. Also, the new shapes are nice but you still have to build glass outside or you risk killing your tames, the game sees it still as cube even if you use the sloped version, so under the slope it looks like there´s water but it´s acutally air.

Atm i use the "Tek Structures Mod" on my private server, it brings the structures out of Tek tier into the normal endgame and the Tek Generator can be powered by Gas (1 per minute) or Blackpearls (1 per hour) for example. With that you can build an underwater base with Lv100 without the need of at least weekly bossfights.
There´s an unpowered version of the cubes also in the mod i use which can be placed on saddles but i deactivated them cause, again, op in pvp.

[✚ Mariel ✚]

I dont mean doing it on a daily basis I mean doing it once a month

You take your rex army up, spank the monkey about 30 times in a row, then bring them right back down again. Best set up the underwater base fairly close to the monkey oby so you can just swim over, climb up and do it, then swim back down again after you've killed it a ton of times

[myersraven47]

dose anyone here know how to start ark because when i click play it dosent do anything period

[✚ Mariel ✚]

try reinstalling m8