The problem with Griffins

[Shockal]

The Griffin has always been an oddball to the flyer roster of ARK. It has the strength to do things that it really shouldn't have.


Speed is the first issue. The Flyer Nerf's main goal was to reduce all the speeds of Flyers. The Griffin is unnafected by this and will dash at incredible speeds, making it the fastest animal in the game. This goes completely against the nerf.

The damage on it has huge burst potential. It has a base 27 attack damage and its dive bomb attack can multiply it by fifteen. A 500% melee damage Griffin dive bombing will deal a 1875 nuke. At first it would have been sensible to consider the Wyvern to be the most dangerous damage-dealing flyer, but this.

The base Health of it is HIGHER than a Quetzal. It is not fragile at all.

Can strafe like a Tapejara.

Does not take extra headshot damage NOR bullet damage, which further exaggerates its tanky health.

You can use guns off its back while still steering it.

Can support multiple people crouching on its back as it flies.

Can sprint on land.

And its not even that hard to tame compared to something such as the Wyvern or the Phoenix. There is no uniqueness in taming a Griffin as it only requires a tranq-and-feed method. The sheer ease of Griffin taming shuns Wyvern raising.

Many of my Steam Friends who have played ARK have been talking about this, and I've decided to step up with them as well.

[drazan]

welcome to the special care that ragnarok brings

where everything is bigger, better, easier with minimal effort

[DrathDragoon33]

Pretty sure that the griffin was released by the ragnarok devs, who are modders. Correct me if I'm wrong but that meams that balancing the griffin comes down to them.

[Cowboy]

Originally posted by DrathDragoon33:

Pretty sure that the griffin was released by the ragnarok devs, who are modders. Correct me if I'm wrong but that meams that balancing the griffin comes down to them.

Wrong. I remember the Rag devs talking about it in their Discord. The Griffin belongs to WC.

[DrathDragoon33]

Good to know. Then, but imo, all other flyers could use a buff to become relevant again. Instead of just nerfing the griffin.

[Shockal]

Originally posted by DrathDragoon33:

Good to know. Then, but imo, all other flyers could use a buff to become relevant again. Instead of just nerfing the griffin.

The Griffin right now is hell already. If we buffed all other flyers to make it match the statistics of a Griffin, everyone would be taming Pteranodons instead of Rexs



And back then, you literally could kill a 150 Rex with a 150 Ptera.



That doesn't sound realistic doesn't it?

[DrathDragoon33]

I just meant giving all flyers the dive, minis the smash. If they all hadnthat, and they could all draw weapons while mounted, then they'd be on a relatively level playing field.

[Zera_Fox]

Originally posted by ⚡Shockal⚡:

Able to carry more animals than an Argent, despite the two being similiar in size

*Carries on average the same as a Pteranodon.

It cannot carry a Saber, Wolf..
Forgot whether or not Raptor is on the list but I doubt it.

[BloodFlake Paaltomo]

Originally posted by ⚡Shockal⚡:

The Griffin has always been an oddball to the flyer roster of ARK. It has the strength to do things that it really shouldn't have.


Speed is the first issue. The Flyer Nerf's main goal was to reduce all the speeds of Flyers. The Griffin is unnafected by this and will dash at incredible speeds, making it the fastest animal in the game.

The damage on it has huge burst potential. It has a base 27 attack damage and its dive bomb attack can multiply it by fifteen. A 500% melee damage Griffin dive bombing will deal 1875 damage.

The base Health of it is higher than a Quetzal

Able to carry more animals than an Argent, despite the two being similiar in size

Does not take extra headshot damage NOR bullet damage

You can use guns off its back while still steering it

Can support multiple people crouching on its back as it flies

Can sprint on land

And its not even that hard to tame compared to something such as the Wyvern or the Phoenix. There is no uniqueness in taming a Griffin as it only requires a tranq-and-feed method.

Many of my Steam Friends who have played ARK have been talking about this, and I've decided to step up with them as well.

there griffins main goal is to counter the wyverns

[drazan]

Originally posted by Bloodflake:

Originally posted by ⚡Shockal⚡:

The Griffin has always been an oddball to the flyer roster of ARK. It has the strength to do things that it really shouldn't have.


Speed is the first issue. The Flyer Nerf's main goal was to reduce all the speeds of Flyers. The Griffin is unnafected by this and will dash at incredible speeds, making it the fastest animal in the game.

The damage on it has huge burst potential. It has a base 27 attack damage and its dive bomb attack can multiply it by fifteen. A 500% melee damage Griffin dive bombing will deal 1875 damage.

The base Health of it is higher than a Quetzal

Able to carry more animals than an Argent, despite the two being similiar in size

Does not take extra headshot damage NOR bullet damage

You can use guns off its back while still steering it

Can support multiple people crouching on its back as it flies

Can sprint on land

And its not even that hard to tame compared to something such as the Wyvern or the Phoenix. There is no uniqueness in taming a Griffin as it only requires a tranq-and-feed method.

Many of my Steam Friends who have played ARK have been talking about this, and I've decided to step up with them as well.

there griffins main goal is to counter the wyverns

funny because the ice wyvern counters the griffin

[Zaphod4th]

But they're so fragile, can kill it easily.

[Guardianangel93]

"Able to carry more animals than an Argent, despite the two being similiar in size"

The Griffin cant carry sh*t.
No Ovis, no raptor, no saber,... theres more. Almost nothing can be picked up by a Griffin.

I admit the overall stats / usage is op compared to all other flyers.
Dont take the speed away. Nerf the melee into the ground and health by 50-60% for all I care.
I live in the southern part of Ragnarok. Do you know how long it takes to get to the north?
It´s minor, but the Griffin makes it much more interesting / bearable with its nice weight stat.

I dont use argents anymore at all, way too slow.
Pteras dont carry me and my stuff.
I´m down to Wyvern and Griffin.

Buff land travel by some amount + speed. Make flyers more niche, give them all the ability to glide / go faster but weak in other points.

[drazan]

Originally posted by Guardianangel93:

"Able to carry more animals than an Argent, despite the two being similiar in size"

The Griffin cant carry sh*t.
No Ovis, no raptor, no saber,... theres more. Almost nothing can be picked up by a Griffin.

I admit the overall stats / usage is op compared to all other flyers.
Dont take the speed away. Nerf the melee into the ground and health by 50-60% for all I care.
I live in the southern part of Ragnarok. Do you know how long it takes to get to the north?
It´s minor, but the Griffin makes it much more interesting / bearable with its nice weight stat.

I dont use argents anymore at all, way too slow.
Pteras dont carry me and my stuff.
I´m down to Wyvern and Griffin.

Buff land travel by some amount + speed. Make flyers more niche, give them all the ability to glide / go faster but weak in other points.

they should make tek teleporters for high end tribes
or beds for lower end tribes so that they could use it to travel fast

where is the suggestion section, i might try and ask a patent label on this idea

[Guardianangel93]

Originally posted by drazan:

they should make tek teleporters for high end tribes
or beds for lower end tribes so that they could use it to travel fast

Well, if fast traveling transported you with items that would be awesome

[drazan]

Originally posted by Guardianangel93:

Originally posted by drazan:

they should make tek teleporters for high end tribes
or beds for lower end tribes so that they could use it to travel fast

Well, if fast traveling transported you with items that would be awesome

or you can have a storage box right next to your bed, transfer there naked, equip stuff get on your dino that you park there, do stuff

park dino again, put gear back in box and go back to main base, take your gear from that box, and continue

[Digital Aura]

The griffin is unique though, it's attack requires practice, timing and attention to do it right and to be able to string attacks together. It requires points into stam as well. I also notice that putting points into speed has a fairly negligible effect. It has a fast dive, but it doesn't really move all that fast outside of that.
Also, it does get a lot of base health and yet still feels fairly fragile due to its lack of any saddle (damage modifier).
It's extremely hard to kill wyverns with, as well, owing from the fact that you have to hit from above to do any great damage and wyverns are always flying up towards you.
The other downfall is that passengers get NO protection. They're quick casualties of war if you get into trouble.
That's the real problem with the griffin. IF they get into trouble, it's hard to get them out of trouble quickly because its only quick once it has momentum. Unless you're at height already, you can't just flee the scene as quickly as a ptera or wyvern can, and they're defenseless at that point too.
So, on the whole, it's a great mount but in my opinion fairly balanced.