Griffin or Wyvern?

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What do you guys think? I personally choose the Griffin.

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Escrito originalmente por Fate (-{SoH}-):

Without bugs/exploits wyvern wins in damage hands down,
with bugs/exploits wyvern wins in dps,

in short distance speed flying the griffin wins,
in long distance speed flying the wyvern wins,

in weight the wyvern wins,
in mobility the griffin wins,

in travel distance per stanima wyvern wins many times over,
in grabbing dinos wyvern wins,
in ease of taming it griffin wins many times over.

Your choice what you go with.

You are right
Griffin was for noobs and new people because the kibble is easy
Wyvern still a bit hard because you need the egg first then breed and feed that with milk, but that worth, now plus in the future maybe the wyvern tek armor

Then the winner: wyvern

[Fate (-{SoH}-)]

@sal even on enhanced stanima the griffins is too trash to use reliablely also 1 lightning breath attack hits more then the glitched griffin attack.

Also i'll admit my games rebalanced as the default games too baby easy.
All tames got reduced in strength big time while all wilds got vastly boosted in strength.

Even with griffin and wyvern getting the same nerf the wyvern outclasses the griffin so much i prefered my lvl 80 fire wyvern over a lvl 250 griffin.

[Darckray]

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Escrito originalmente por Darckray:

Wyverns are still the fastest fliers in the game

To answer the OP: Well, it depends.

If you want power, resilience and speed over mobility, the wyvern is for you.

The Griffin has many advantages, it's got the aerial slam, it can carry two people at once, and it has the Tapejara's maneuverability.

But, it also has way less hp and damage than a wyvern, it's slower, it has less weight and it can't carry as much dinos as the wyvern can.

It depends on you, personally, i like them both a lot.

And yes, as opposed to what i have been reading online, the wyvern is still the fastest flier in the game, the griffin can only outrun one if it spams the aerial dive, which won't last long given the ammount of stamina it requires to be used.

Well you are pretty wrong, griffin outspeeds a wyvern by factor 2 at least, its not even close.
Damage is also superior, i dont think a wyvern would stand a chance vs. a griffin in pvp if the griffin rider knows what he is doing.

The damage per second of a wyvern is higher than that of the griffin's

We're not talking about Wyverns vs Griffins in a PvP situation (which, most likely, would result in the Griffin winning)

We're talking about which of the two does the most damage, and that's the wyvern.

To use the aerial slam you need to gain significant height first, then, after dropping down, you need to go up again and repeat till you run out of stamina.

The wyvern, depending on the type (lightning being the strongest) can spam its attacks much faster, and, if i'm not mistaken, the lightning breath is an armor piercing attack.

And, again, the wyvern is still the fastest flier, don't compare griffins to wild wyverns as tamed wyverns are faster than wilds.

The only way you can outrun a tamed wyvern while riding a griffin, both flying in the same direction, is to spam the aerial dive which gives you a speed boost, but this is not reliable because you would run out of stamina before the wyvern does.

[sal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

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Escrito originalmente por sal:

Well you are pretty wrong, griffin outspeeds a wyvern by factor 2 at least, its not even close.
Damage is also superior, i dont think a wyvern would stand a chance vs. a griffin in pvp if the griffin rider knows what he is doing.

The damage per second of a wyvern is higher than that of the griffin's

We're not talking about Wyverns vs Griffins in a PvP situation (which, most likely, would result in the Griffin winning)

We're talking about which of the two does the most damage, and that's the wyvern.

To use the aerial slam you need to gain significant height first, then, after dropping down, you need to go up again and repeat till you run out of stamina.

The wyvern, depending on the type (lightning being the strongest) can spam its attacks much faster, and, if i'm not mistaken, the lightning breath is an armor piercing attack.

And, again, the wyvern is still the fastest flier, don't compare griffins to wild wyverns as tamed wyverns are faster than wilds.

The only way you can outrun a tamed wyvern while riding a griffin, both flying in the same direction, is to spam the aerial dive which gives you a speed boost, but this is not reliable because you would run out of stamina before the wyvern does.

you need to learn how to use a griffin, its not so easy

you swipe down, DONT Hit the ground, you just pull up hit and instantly gain more height than you lost for the swipe on full speed.

you dont dive bomb and hit the ground, thats the bad way to use him =)

I recommend you grab a decent griffin and go practice this a bit and you will see what i mean.

[sal ¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

Escrito originalmente por Fate (-{SoH}-):

@sal even on enhanced stanima the griffins is too trash to use reliablely also 1 lightning breath attack hits more then the glitched griffin attack.

Also i'll admit my games rebalanced as the default games too baby easy.
All tames got reduced in strength big time while all wilds got vastly boosted in strength.

Even with griffin and wyvern getting the same nerf the wyvern outclasses the griffin so much i prefered my lvl 80 fire wyvern over a lvl 250 griffin.

that just shows how little you know about how to use the griffin correctly. Its not that easy and needs a bit of practice. Wyverns are so slow and cumbersome i cannot think of any scenario i would actually prefer a wyvern ...

[Fate (-{SoH}-)]

@sal you will change ur mind after they remove that exploit of the griffins since thats litterly the only reason to use them.

[Eminence]

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@sal you will change ur mind after they remove that exploit of the griffins since thats litterly the only reason to use them.

Maybe I'm ignorant, but I think Griffin's are super OP and don't know any exploit with them. Can you enlighten me as to the nature of what you are calling an exploit?

[Fate (-{SoH}-)]

@emience the dive super damage people do is an exploit,
the only damage they are ment to do is normal claw/bite and a full bomb to the ground not being able to hit over athousend by doing a mix.

[Eminence]

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@emience the dive super damage people do is an exploit,
the only damage they are ment to do is normal claw/bite and a full bomb to the ground not being able to hit over athousend by doing a mix.

I'm 99% sure that's intentional but I hope you're right because that's the thing I think has the worst balance about them.

[Gadzooks]

Until the devs learns to add a proper land mechanic to wyverns.. ive chosen griff over wyvs.. atleast those can land while being dismounted on a wyv do insanely stupid circles and hardly to never land..

along with griff can do tapejara mechanics by going left/right while wyv needs to haul its ass to do 1 circle...

[Darckray]

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Escrito originalmente por Darckray:

The damage per second of a wyvern is higher than that of the griffin's

We're not talking about Wyverns vs Griffins in a PvP situation (which, most likely, would result in the Griffin winning)

We're talking about which of the two does the most damage, and that's the wyvern.

To use the aerial slam you need to gain significant height first, then, after dropping down, you need to go up again and repeat till you run out of stamina.

The wyvern, depending on the type (lightning being the strongest) can spam its attacks much faster, and, if i'm not mistaken, the lightning breath is an armor piercing attack.

And, again, the wyvern is still the fastest flier, don't compare griffins to wild wyverns as tamed wyverns are faster than wilds.

The only way you can outrun a tamed wyvern while riding a griffin, both flying in the same direction, is to spam the aerial dive which gives you a speed boost, but this is not reliable because you would run out of stamina before the wyvern does.

you need to learn how to use a griffin, its not so easy

you swipe down, DONT Hit the ground, you just pull up hit and instantly gain more height than you lost for the swipe on full speed.

you dont dive bomb and hit the ground, thats the bad way to use him =)

I recommend you grab a decent griffin and go practice this a bit and you will see what i mean.

As i said, this is not related to use of said dino with any skill or in a PvP situation.

In a scenario where ALL your strikes land on the target and there's no delay caused by YOU between hits, the Wyvern wins.

It doesn't matter how fast the griffin uses his dive attack, the lightning breath (which is armor piercing, at least when we're talking about a wild wyvern) combined with rapid biting, makes the wyvern superior DPS wise.

And, i DO know how to use a Griffin, that's why i said the Griffin would probably be the winner in a PvP scenario.

[Curse]

In a PvE scenario I prefer to use Griffins. Way more versatile and amazing handling. A high level Griffin with a good stam pool can dive spam most of the way across the map. A high melee griff can do thousands of damage in one hit to unarmored creatures.

But, the Wyvern has higher level potential, more weight/hp, and planned tek armor.

1-2 people on a strong griffin, who also know how to fully use the Griffin's dive attack and strafing maneuvers, can probably beat a solitary Wyern rider.

[Bosskiller]

Here is my ranking of all the wyverns and griffins

4. Poison wyvern. Has it's niche uses, but ultimately it's only advantage over the other wyverns and griffins is its extra hp and ability to ignore armor

3. Fire wyvern. Better for damage than poison, and has a good range and has the best turning radius of wyverns. It's very close to the next on the list.

2. Lightning wyvern. The sheer dps and torpor of lightning wyverns makes it superior to the other two, plus slightly higher speed.

1. Tie, griffin and ice wyvern. The griffin beats the other wyverns due to massive speed, massive damage, maneuverability, utility with multiple seats and the ability to use weapons, and ease of taming and close to the same hp, would be inconceivably better to the point of wyverns being obsolete if it had armor and could breed. The ice wyvern is tied with the griffin, as it has the lightnings wyvern's slight speed above other wyverns as well as its slowing breath. Any creature you hit is easy pickings, and you can easily take a player off their mount with it if you get the shot off, and with its breath having the AoE of the fire wyvern, it's very effective at getting this off. In addition, it can slow titanosaurs to make them easier targets to ko, allowing it to be used for getting the best raiding device in the game.

However, when the wyvern tek saddle is released, this ranking could change up, since wyverns will get armor and, if the saddle's design is any indicator, will be able to shoot tek blasts and use the elemental breath at the same time.

[DrathDragoon33]

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I tamed a 105 Griffin. Can it kill wyverns? Don't really want it risk him

High level griffins destroy wyverns in arial combat.

The only drawback to usinf a griffin to kill a wyvern is that griffins need a lot of space to fight.

Griffins don't need to hit the groud for their five attack to deal damage. They can dive, and use their normal claw attack in the air to deal all the slam damage to a target flying bellow them.

The only way for a wyvern to counter this is to fly tp the world ceiling. If they do that, then the griffin can dive bellow them and the riders can shoot the wyvern down.

Makr sure you kepp an eye on ur griffins stamina tho. Or you'll be dead in the water.

[Ferchi]

Lightning Wyvern or nothing :D