Phoenix Rebirth

[Bosskiller]

I do not think this is a necessary feature on the phoenix. I know that the actual phoenix is reborn, but honestly Ark has never been accurate on any of it creatures. However, if they do add it, it can't be too easy. Putting its ashes in a cooking pot for an hour is not enough to justify reviving a pet.

I do think that rebirth would be a cool feature, however it should be difficult to achieve; when the phoenix dies, its ashes need to be reintroduced to the superheat in the desert. Then, it will be reborn as a baby, and you have to raise it to adulthood, all the while increasing the phoenix's power with imprints. The baby would take a day to raise but will be very high maintenance, and will have to stay on Scorched Earth. Once it is done, you have yourself your phoenix returned with new bonuses. If the devs add rebirth to the phoenix (They might due to the heavy demand) I hope they add it like this. But due note this would require the phoenix to land, as a baby can't fly forever. Maybe double-tapping spacebar could land it.

Edit: after reading the myth of the Phoenix (and the firebird) it appears Ark's Phoenix is a combination of the two. The pooping of pearls is a give away, as that is what the the firebird does. However it is clearly more Phoenix than firebird, so currently absent features of the firebird are definitely not required. But, if they want to make the Phoenix accurate to the myth, then they already have it down. 1. Phoenix only comes back if it dies of natural causes (e.g. end of heatwave) and 2. The Phoenix can never touch the earth in its lifetime. Would still be cool if they added those features, but they are most certainly not required.

[Ferchi]

In the mitology the phoenix reborn from the ashes, if can't reborn then that's no a phoenix :)

[Bosskiller]

Originally posted by ᅚᅚ ᅚᅚ:

In the mitology the phoenix reborn from the ashes, if can't reborn then that's no a phoenix :)

In mythology wyverns only breath poison, manticores have human heads, golems are not living things, etc. Ark not only isn't realistic with its dinos, but it is also unrealistic with its mythical creatures. But that's exactly what makes Ark what it is.

[Spider-Mimic]

Originally posted by dombiepigrider:

Originally posted by ᅚᅚ ᅚᅚ:

In the mitology the phoenix reborn from the ashes, if can't reborn then that's no a phoenix :)

In mythology wyverns only breath poison, manticores have human heads, golems are not living things, etc. Ark not only isn't realistic with its dinos, but it is also unrealistic with its mythical creatures. But that's exactly what makes Ark what it is.

*cough* poison wyvern *cough* :P

[Phetty]

It's not hard to balance the rebirth mechanic. Right there in the name is "birth" and ARK has a breeding mechanic. Make the ashes function as an egg that you can only get when the Phoenix dies with a relatively low spoil time, 7 days with no way to extend it for example. I also feel this should have been the taming method. Wild ones should have been tough to kill and the only way to get one was to kill it and raise it.

[Elnaser80]

It is not a phoenix if she can't rebirth!!

[Bosskiller]

Originally posted by GwenPool:

Originally posted by dombiepigrider:

In mythology wyverns only breath poison, manticores have human heads, golems are not living things, etc. Ark not only isn't realistic with its dinos, but it is also unrealistic with its mythical creatures. But that's exactly what makes Ark what it is.

*cough* poison wyvern *cough* :P

Keyword "only"

[Monty]

Originally posted by dombiepigrider:

Originally posted by ᅚᅚ ᅚᅚ:

In the mitology the phoenix reborn from the ashes, if can't reborn then that's no a phoenix :)

In mythology wyverns only breath poison, manticores have human heads, golems are not living things, etc. Ark not only isn't realistic with its dinos, but it is also unrealistic with its mythical creatures. But that's exactly what makes Ark what it is.

There are multiple variations of mythological creatures. To say WC's variants are "unrealistic" is a little asinine when speaking of creatures that come from mythology. On top of that, all creatures in Ark are variants of the real things, they were never intended to be accurate.

[Bosskiller]

Originally posted by Monty:

Originally posted by dombiepigrider:

In mythology wyverns only breath poison, manticores have human heads, golems are not living things, etc. Ark not only isn't realistic with its dinos, but it is also unrealistic with its mythical creatures. But that's exactly what makes Ark what it is.

There are multiple variations of mythological creatures. To say WC's variants are "unrealistic" is a little asinine when speaking of creatures that come from mythology. On top of that, all creatures in Ark are variants of the real things, they were never intended to be accurate.

I said that Ark's creatures are not meant to be accurate. But that guy said a Phoenix isn't a Phoenix if it doesn't have a cycle of rebirth. I'm arguing against that, since one of a wyvern's defining traits is it's poison breath. There generally isn't a fire wyverns or a lightning wyvern or an ice wyvern. Thus, Ark changed the wyvern. Never said they are intended to be accurate.

[Elnaser80]

Originally posted by dombiepigrider:

Originally posted by Monty:

There are multiple variations of mythological creatures. To say WC's variants are "unrealistic" is a little asinine when speaking of creatures that come from mythology. On top of that, all creatures in Ark are variants of the real things, they were never intended to be accurate.

I said that Ark's creatures are not meant to be accurate. But that guy said a Phoenix isn't a Phoenix if it doesn't have a cycle of rebirth. I'm arguing against that, since one of a wyvern's defining traits is it's poison breath. There generally isn't a fire wyverns or a lightning wyvern or an ice wyvern. Thus, Ark changed the wyvern. Never said they are intended to be accurate.

I am that guy..

there is a difference between having a different types of Wyverns but all of them are following their life cycle : comes from an egg.. become adults and fly and breathing something..
In fact all the creatures in ark have a lifecycle
But where is the life cycle of that thing?
If you are going to introduce a mythical creature.. introduce it properly.

BTW my name is displayed :)

[Monty]

Originally posted by dombiepigrider:

Originally posted by Monty:

There are multiple variations of mythological creatures. To say WC's variants are "unrealistic" is a little asinine when speaking of creatures that come from mythology. On top of that, all creatures in Ark are variants of the real things, they were never intended to be accurate.

I said that Ark's creatures are not meant to be accurate. But that guy said a Phoenix isn't a Phoenix if it doesn't have a cycle of rebirth. I'm arguing against that, since one of a wyvern's defining traits is it's poison breath. There generally isn't a fire wyverns or a lightning wyvern or an ice wyvern. Thus, Ark changed the wyvern. Never said they are intended to be accurate.

I kind of agree with, even in the dossier it states it represents rebirth and that aspect of a phoenix has been very consistent in lore, regardless of origin.

I do agree that you should collect the ashes, set the ashes ablaze, and then raise the phoenix again. Actually, I feel this should be how you get an imprint on it.

[ToXiN]

Originally posted by dombiepigrider:

Originally posted by ᅚᅚ ᅚᅚ:

In the mitology the phoenix reborn from the ashes, if can't reborn then that's no a phoenix :)

In mythology wyverns only breath poison, manticores have human heads, golems are not living things, etc. Ark not only isn't realistic with its dinos, but it is also unrealistic with its mythical creatures. But that's exactly what makes Ark what it is.

In what mythology do manticores have heads? I think you are mistaking them with sphinxes.

OP: I love the idea!

[Monty]

Originally posted by ToXIN:

Originally posted by dombiepigrider:

In mythology wyverns only breath poison, manticores have human heads, golems are not living things, etc. Ark not only isn't realistic with its dinos, but it is also unrealistic with its mythical creatures. But that's exactly what makes Ark what it is.

In what mythology do manticores have heads? I think you are mistaking them with sphinxes.

OP: I love the idea!

Persian mythology.

[Pebbles-chan]

Originally posted by dombiepigrider:

Originally posted by ᅚᅚ ᅚᅚ:

In the mitology the phoenix reborn from the ashes, if can't reborn then that's no a phoenix :)

In mythology wyverns only breath poison, manticores have human heads, golems are not living things, etc. Ark not only isn't realistic with its dinos, but it is also unrealistic with its mythical creatures. But that's exactly what makes Ark what it is.

Realistic dinos are bones in a museum, realistic magical creatures do not exist

You should be a little more grateful you at least get to play "something" with dinosaurs and mythological things

[Fate (-{SoH}-)]

I totaly agree that the ashes should count as an egg that allows you to raise the phoenix again from birth,
without that it's a fire bird not a phoenix as the phoenixs 1 defining trait is rebirth from it's ashes.

Seriously devs fix the phoenix!

[Monty]

Originally posted by Fate (-{SoH}-):

I totaly agree that the ashes should count as an egg that allows you to raise the phoenix again from birth,
without that it's a fire bird not a phoenix as the phoenixs 1 defining trait is rebirth from it's ashes.

Seriously devs fix the phoenix!

I'm sure balancing will be added. I've heard the phoenix actually wrecks shop on wyverns.