Buff the Moth

[Shockal]

Yep.

The Moth is the least preffered flyer in the entire game. There are two major errors (in my opinion) that make it so much worse than other flyers. Firstly it can't harvest its own food, while every other flyer can, making it less convienient when travelling. Secondly, and most importantly, its passive silk production isn't even here yet...

Please
B u f f


You buffed the Pelagornis by giving it fishing power. Now buff the bug guy.

[L0N RNGR]

You forgot that it is slow as hell.And it is a giant frakin MOTH! Nothing else in the game gives me the creeps like that thing. Bet it is sitting there waiting for me to drop my guard... then it will eat all my clothes!

[Jigsaw]

It just lacks any utility. Its extraordinary slow, has low stamina and no real use. Give it a special effect or ability liek producing silk or fertilizing plants with the right click. Imagine if u could just put fert in its inv and just fly over your plants fertilizing them that way.

[Shockal]

Oh, right

For all you who are about to comment - please don't say that the reason why Lymantria is weak because it's a 'starter flyer'. It's saddle is unlocked at 36, which is only two levels away from the Pteranodon Saddle. That theoretically means I could've just tamed a Ptera.

[Evolvei]

Agreed, Lymantria would be a lot better with a special skill.
Camoflouge itself and the rider?

[Frostbringer]

Originally posted by ⚡Shockal⚡:

Oh, right

For all you who are about to comment - please don't say that the reason why Lymantria is weak because it's a 'starter flyer'. It's saddle is unlocked at 36, which is only two levels away from the Pteranodon Saddle. That theoretically means I could've just tamed a Ptera.

I only know SE from watching Neebs Gaming play on it. :)
Since you used that for a comparison, is the Ptera even on the SE map?

I 've only seen moths, argies, and Tjara on it. SE is meant to be a bit harder to play on than the island or Ragnarok.

[Fate (-{SoH}-)]

sad thing is after the dlc was released so many screamed p2w that they ultra nerfed all it's creatures to uselessness,

why use thorny dragon when beaver can do the same but has better stats + can swim,

why use moth when u can use....anything else even walking,

Jeroba has no purpose off the dlc map besides being ultra cute :3 ,

The wyverns a running joke still, only new players lose to it due to slow speed (after nerf), breath attack burns most of it's stanima, terrible turnrate ect (the posion also has a useless breath),

The golem was good at sieging now a group of wolves can decimate it, so it's only purpose now is as a armored collector,

Mantis has less health then raptors yet the only way to tame it is by killing deathworms which are basicly alpha trexs, the jump and tools is cool but the lack of damage and health makes it nothing more then a collector that any other collector dino can beat (jack of all trades, master of none),

The camel thing is as useful as a parasaur, outside collecting berrys and holding water it has 0 purpose,

I swear the vultures the only creature with any merit as it's easy to tame and great for caves even acts as a perserving bin on your shoulder.

If they make the phoenix useless when it's released i'm gonna be ticked,
Tho that will mean i'll need to redownload arks dev kit to fix the bugger up as i love phoenixs and refuse for them to be weak or useless.

[Frostbringer]

Fate,

Until they open up the Ragnarok Map Desert sections, won't the SE dinos you mentioned still be useful, since some that you compared don't exist in SE?

[Fate (-{SoH}-)]

@jack no one keeps what they get from the dlc in the dlc.

The maps barren with only 3 reasons to get it 1# the tools, 2# difficulty 3# the dinos.
Sadly all the dinos got nerfed and default pve difficulty is only difficult til you have tames.

Not to mention most unofficals just edit the game.ini to introduce all the creatures and tools to the default map as lets be honest the desert is boring.

[L0N RNGR]

Even the moths EGGS are useless!

[Captain Pansy]

only dino i replaced in INI it is that boring. i replaced them with dimorphodons.
they are also stupid by design. a giant butterfly... now we only need goldylocks and cinderella.

[Spawn of Fenrir]

Being a Kaiju fan.... I kinda want a couple Moths just to name them Mothra and Battra.... sure, I'd probably get bored of them super quick, but as soon as they open up enough of the desert in Rag.... I'm probably going to go grab a couple.

[Shockal]

Originally posted by Jack Frost:

Originally posted by ⚡Shockal⚡:

Oh, right

For all you who are about to comment - please don't say that the reason why Lymantria is weak because it's a 'starter flyer'. It's saddle is unlocked at 36, which is only two levels away from the Pteranodon Saddle. That theoretically means I could've just tamed a Ptera.

I only know SE from watching Neebs Gaming play on it. :)
Since you used that for a comparison, is the Ptera even on the SE map?

I 've only seen moths, argies, and Tjara on it. SE is meant to be a bit harder to play on than the island or Ragnarok.

No but you can transfer a ptera to SE. It is also one of the very few flyers capable of stealing a Wyvern egg. The Argent is no longer capable of doing this

[Shockal]

Originally posted by Fate (-{SoH}-):

sad thing is after the dlc was released so many screamed p2w that they ultra nerfed all it's creatures to uselessness,

why use thorny dragon when beaver can do the same but has better stats + can swim,

why use moth when u can use....anything else even walking,

Jeroba has no purpose off the dlc map besides being ultra cute :3 ,

The wyverns a running joke still, only new players lose to it due to slow speed (after nerf), breath attack burns most of it's stanima, terrible turnrate ect (the posion also has a useless breath),

The golem was good at sieging now a group of wolves can decimate it, so it's only purpose now is as a armored collector,

Mantis has less health then raptors yet the only way to tame it is by killing deathworms which are basicly alpha trexs, the jump and tools is cool but the lack of damage and health makes it nothing more then a collector that any other collector dino can beat (jack of all trades, master of none),

The camel thing is as useful as a parasaur, outside collecting berrys and holding water it has 0 purpose,

I swear the vultures the only creature with any merit as it's easy to tame and great for caves even acts as a perserving bin on your shoulder.

If they make the phoenix useless when it's released i'm gonna be ticked,
Tho that will mean i'll need to redownload arks dev kit to fix the bugger up as i love phoenixs and refuse for them to be weak or useless.

Wyverns are still the fastest flying creature in ARK, slightly surpassing the Griffin in terms of speed overtime. The breath attack of the Fire Wyvern deals damage based on its victim's health, meaning it can focus less on melee damage and more on stamina. The terrible turn rate had been on the Wyvern since Scorched Earth's first update, and the turn rate usually isn't a problem on the ground anyways.

There is absolutely no way a simple pack of wolves can dominate a Rock Elemental. They are still rex-tier creatures and are a force to be reckoned with.

The Camel is as useful as a Trike. It can deal good damage, as well as its suprisingly fast sprint speed that can get you to places quickly. Its water storage system is also good if you ever get thirsty, though it's less likely this will happen on the Island due to the common riverways there - but it's better than nothing anyways.

The Pheonix has been cancelled

You claim the Mantis lacks damage but remember they can equip swords. Two swords.
Also no you're not taking that bug to war. It's too valuable. It's one of the greatest item harvesters in the game due to the collecting flexibility of it.

[Trollociraptor]

Originally posted by Fate (-{SoH}-):

sad thing is after the dlc was released so many screamed p2w that they ultra nerfed all it's creatures to uselessness,

why use thorny dragon when beaver can do the same but has better stats + can swim,

why use moth when u can use....anything else even walking,

Jeroba has no purpose off the dlc map besides being ultra cute :3 ,

The wyverns a running joke still, only new players lose to it due to slow speed (after nerf), breath attack burns most of it's stanima, terrible turnrate ect (the posion also has a useless breath),

The golem was good at sieging now a group of wolves can decimate it, so it's only purpose now is as a armored collector,

Mantis has less health then raptors yet the only way to tame it is by killing deathworms which are basicly alpha trexs, the jump and tools is cool but the lack of damage and health makes it nothing more then a collector that any other collector dino can beat (jack of all trades, master of none),

The camel thing is as useful as a parasaur, outside collecting berrys and holding water it has 0 purpose,

I swear the vultures the only creature with any merit as it's easy to tame and great for caves even acts as a perserving bin on your shoulder.

If they make the phoenix useless when it's released i'm gonna be ticked,
Tho that will mean i'll need to redownload arks dev kit to fix the bugger up as i love phoenixs and refuse for them to be weak or useless.

Chainsaws are better than all wood harvesters and are pretty common in drops on SE. My MC chainsaw nets 900 wood per normal tree. I can't even imagine what a redwood tree would give me. It's true that the thorny isn't superior to a beaver or mammoth but the SE chainsaw negates the harvesting ability of all 3.

I agree about the moth

Jerboas halve the weight of whatever is in their inventory, my tribe uses them when carrying a lot of gear, plus like you said their cuteness adds to this.

I agree about wyverns, they're just handy as a very fast not platform combat quetzal. They also have uses like easy Titan and worm killing. My tribe specifically uses them to get from A to B and to quickly grab dinos to tame. The effort ro raise them though, I just don't know

Mantis is an amazing pre giga meat harvester. Combined with a tool a decent mantis gets around 100 meat per standard kill. Also great as a quick flint and thatch harvester. Not ideal for combat due to low health, so it's more of a high speed harvester of low weight resources. Only good for kibble once you have a platform quetz.

The Morellatops is an amazing berry harvester, better than most I've used on the Island. I'd rather use a morello over the Bronto, plus it's absurdly easier to tame. A few minutes usually nets me 1000 kg of berries

There's that fact that prior to getting an angler, SE is the place for pearls. Flame arrows are crazy powerful, available early game meaning you can kill anything pretty easily and not even optional for any competive player. Oil jars make killing worms a breeze, even early game. The whip is also a must, both for easy gathering of eggs and poop plus it's the meta counter when you're picked by a flyer. Dune drops are crazy easy to find and collect, way easier than deep sea drops. You only need 3 (very easy) caves runs plus a few wyvern kills to farm the manticore for element, arguably the quickest way to get to a boss. Also dung beetles galore.

SE does have some useless parts but it's pro's completely outweigh them

[Fate (-{SoH}-)]

@shockal I'm sorry but with nerfed wolves agienst a buffed golem they slaughted it tho i will admit the wolves were each caught due to having high hp and atk (high being 30+).

With the mate boost and the alpha boosted helping out they hit about 1% the golems hp asecond and the golem attacks too slowly to do much agienst them.

While it's true wyverns are great for grabbing dinos for taming and such i'd take a quetz over them for that purpose easier to handle,
As for long distance travel i'd use a thy til tek tier then teleporter or jetpack.

As for combat i'd take fire arrows while riding on a thy as atleast then i got true mobility mixed with high damage output.

The wyvern has to land too often when using it's breath attack to make it viable.

And what do you mean the phoenix was canceled it was a gift to the dlc owners they clearly mentioned in the last dev post they will be releasing it on the 28th and the model + saddle have been in the dev kit for over a year now.

@trollo you can have the morella i'll take my Therizinosaur over it anyday can collect thousends of berrys in 4-5 seconds if there are enough bushs around.
I'll admit the ther is a high lvl tame but get a trike stuck on a tree at low lvl then at high lvl do the same for a ther got 2 collectors easily.

What do you mean SE is the place for pearls o.0 the beachs of the snow biome are flooded with fast respawning pearls got afew hundred last trip with default harvesting rates.

Or just go with gilles and a chowder swim to bottom of the ocean and grab pearls from one of the countless spots they spawn in number.

I'll agree about the dune drops way easier then checking all the spawn spots at the bottom of the ocean.

Wouldnt the broodmother count as the fastest boss 3 baby difficulty caves that take at max 5 mins each if you know the shortcuts and have adozen grapples on you and dont even need tributes for the first version.
And the final versions tribues are all common and baby easy to kill.