The true problem with ground mounts and how to fix them

[SwowS]

In response to my other thread, I've decided to make one that would make small ground mounts like sabers, thylas, and barys better. With the ability to pick up people off from saddles with fliers, and the recent movement speed nerf, I think that they need to make ground mounts more enjoyable to ride on, and better for pvp.

1.One of the suggestions I saw was a seat belt for saddles that would work only on some Dino's, making the flyers carry abillity still somewhat useful for pvp, but have the smaller Dino's still useful

2. Pathfinding and getting stuck. Ground animals maybe need the ability to go through rocks and trees, along with better navigation so packs of wolves and hyenas are now viable.

Any other suggestions, and I'll add them to the list

[The Waffle that Lurks]

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https://youtu.be/TFXGxDdXZfw

He is on a Ptera the entire video

With classic flyers mod lol ptera moving like a supersonic jet XD

[Spades]

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https://youtu.be/TFXGxDdXZfw

He is on a Ptera the entire video

I'm afraid that's where your problom lies. Fliers will always be the go to mount for distance, even excluding the fact that your unlikely to run into enemies on flight you still have the no randome cliffs our rocks to navigate, that's what makes fliers so viable, i wone even take a thyleo to a drop because god knows whats between me and it. I don't have a problem with buffing land mounts to make them better for exploring, but you need to realize that no amount of buffing/nerfing will remove people from their fliers. I'm taking you seriously, i'm seriously thinking about how to make land mounts better, please don't lead me to believe that you think theirs that silver bullet that will make everyone flock to land mounts.

[Unknown]

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Another thread from an uninformed noob who still has like 85% of the game to discover. Go on, tell us what else needs a buff/nerf from your 2x2 wooden base. I'm curious what your opinion is on the present state of bosses. Maybe enlighten us on how they need tweaked. Oh, also, what do you think of the turret damage (both tek and regular) when shooting a tamed rock elemental with Yuty buffs? Please, enlighten us with your slew of wisdom on the game from level 14.

I have over 1000 hours of the game. I know what kibble certain animals prefer by memory. I would just like to see ground mount be used in pvp. Or are u too bad at the game and just like flying around on ur ptero effortlessly picking up people, and want a quick and cheap loot raid?

Ground mounts are the ONLY things used in raiding. Soak with Turtles/Elementals/Rexes that are being healed by Daeodons and buffed by Yutyrannuses. What's your point? You want Sabers to be used in PvP? Go play a server with a level cap of 37 and fliers disabled.

Fliers are not used in PvP. Fliers are used against complete morons who don't punish the picker. Fliers are used as transport. Fliers are NOT siege tames and are NOT DPS tames.

Oh, and yeah, cute little video of a guy with classic flyers. You sit here and ♥♥♥♥♥ about flyers and then provide a video of someone on a classic flyer? LMFAO! They're no where near that fast or competent any more.

If you can't make a compelling argument in favor of your point, is that point worth your time? I mean, you had to post a video of someone on a pre-nerf flyer. I think most people will agree that form of flyer was ridiculous, but come on man that's why they got nerfed.

[Monty]

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Another thread from an uninformed noob who still has like 85% of the game to discover. Go on, tell us what else needs a buff/nerf from your 2x2 wooden base. I'm curious what your opinion is on the present state of bosses. Maybe enlighten us on how they need tweaked. Oh, also, what do you think of the turret damage (both tek and regular) when shooting a tamed rock elemental with Yuty buffs? Please, enlighten us with your slew of wisdom on the game from level 14.

I have over 1000 hours of the game. I know what kibble certain animals prefer by memory. I would just like to see ground mount be used in pvp. Or are u too bad at the game and just like flying around on ur ptero effortlessly picking up people, and want a quick and cheap loot raid?

This isn't a response that's going to help your argument.

[Monty]

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I have over 1000 hours of the game. I know what kibble certain animals prefer by memory. I would just like to see ground mount be used in pvp. Or are u too bad at the game and just like flying around on ur ptero effortlessly picking up people, and want a quick and cheap loot raid?

Ground mounts are the ONLY things used in raiding. Soak with Turtles/Elementals/Rexes that are being healed by Daeodons and buffed by Yutyrannuses. What's you're point? You want Sabers to be used in PvP? Go play a server with a level cap of 37 and fliers disabled.

Fliers are not used in PvP. Fliers are used against complete morons who don't punish the picker. Fliers are used as transport. Fliers are NOT siege tames and are NOT DPS tames.

I don't think this is necessarily true. You can still pick people off rexes, wyverns can still use breath attack run bys, and griffin bombing is a thing. Flyers aren't as strong, but having some air support is useful. Land dinos just handle the siege role.

[SwowS]

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I have over 1000 hours of the game. I know what kibble certain animals prefer by memory. I would just like to see ground mount be used in pvp. Or are u too bad at the game and just like flying around on ur ptero effortlessly picking up people, and want a quick and cheap loot raid?

Ground mounts are the ONLY things used in raiding. Soak with Turtles/Elementals/Rexes that are being healed by Daeodons and buffed by Yutyrannuses. What's your point? You want Sabers to be used in PvP? Go play a server with a level cap of 37 and fliers disabled.

Fliers are not used in PvP. Fliers are used against complete morons who don't punish the picker. Fliers are used as transport. Fliers are NOT siege tames and are NOT DPS tames.

Oh, and yeah, cute little video of a guy with classic flyers. You sit here and ♥♥♥♥♥ about flyers and then provide a video of someone on a classic flyer? LMFAO! They're no where near that fast or competent any more.

If you can't make a compelling argument in favor of your point, is that point worth your time? I mean, you had to post a video of someone on a pre-nerf flyer. I think most people will agree that form of flyer was ridiculous, but come on man that's why they got nerfed.

It's on official. Look at any other video he has and it's official with mostly flyers being used

[SwowS]

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Ground mounts are the ONLY things used in raiding. Soak with Turtles/Elementals/Rexes that are being healed by Daeodons and buffed by Yutyrannuses. What's you're point? You want Sabers to be used in PvP? Go play a server with a level cap of 37 and fliers disabled.

Fliers are not used in PvP. Fliers are used against complete morons who don't punish the picker. Fliers are used as transport. Fliers are NOT siege tames and are NOT DPS tames.

I don't think this is necessarily true. You can still pick people off rexes, wyverns can still use breath attack run bys, and griffin bombing is a thing. Flyers aren't as strong, but having some air support is useful. Land dinos just handle the siege role.

He called me a noob and said I have no idea what I'm talking about. I have played this game since The first winter wonderland update. Trust me, I know how this game has been

[Unknown]

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Ground mounts are the ONLY things used in raiding. Soak with Turtles/Elementals/Rexes that are being healed by Daeodons and buffed by Yutyrannuses. What's you're point? You want Sabers to be used in PvP? Go play a server with a level cap of 37 and fliers disabled.

Fliers are not used in PvP. Fliers are used against complete morons who don't punish the picker. Fliers are used as transport. Fliers are NOT siege tames and are NOT DPS tames.

I don't think this is necessarily true. You can still pick people off rexes, wyverns can still use breath attack run bys, and griffin bombing is a thing. Flyers aren't as strong, but having some air support is useful. Land dinos just handle the siege role.

Picking people only works when the person you pick is a moron. If you pick someone who always has grappling hooks and parachutes you will lose your flyer. All it takes is a good damage firearm to kill it, all it takes to get un-picked is grappling the flyer and then pressing C. Picking simply is not a viable option when you play against anyone other than morons.

Wyverns and their attack weapons are minimal. If you're in range to hit someone with your breath attack you're in range of being grappled to and losing your Wyvern. Though, I do agree they provide some form of harass/utility in PvP so they're not entirely useless.

Griffins are the most viable in PvP due to the speed and burst damage. They are, however, easy to deal with after the initial burst. Again, though, not entirely useless and provide something in world PvP.

Raiding? None of these tames provide a single use in raiding. Anyone who brings Wyverns or Griffins to an enemy's base is a noob that should just go home. Raids consist of dodging enemy snipers, draining turrets, shooting enemy players, and strategizing on the fly when they do something unexpected.

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Ground mounts are the ONLY things used in raiding. Soak with Turtles/Elementals/Rexes that are being healed by Daeodons and buffed by Yutyrannuses. What's your point? You want Sabers to be used in PvP? Go play a server with a level cap of 37 and fliers disabled.

Fliers are not used in PvP. Fliers are used against complete morons who don't punish the picker. Fliers are used as transport. Fliers are NOT siege tames and are NOT DPS tames.

Oh, and yeah, cute little video of a guy with classic flyers. You sit here and ♥♥♥♥♥ about flyers and then provide a video of someone on a classic flyer? LMFAO! They're no where near that fast or competent any more.

If you can't make a compelling argument in favor of your point, is that point worth your time? I mean, you had to post a video of someone on a pre-nerf flyer. I think most people will agree that form of flyer was ridiculous, but come on man that's why they got nerfed.

It's on official. Look at any other video he has and it's official with mostly flyers being used

You're cute. You actually believe he's on official when he loots several items from someone else's corpse and they provide 0 change in weight =D 1:15 in the cute little phony video you linked. GG.

Also, the weights don't line up as a whole in that video. Watch the times he actually opens the inventory. His weight is completely off. The values are not official weight values. Most items that would be anywhere close to "heavy" are reduced, like the whip not weighing 8 for example.

For the sake of argument, though, let's say he's on official. He's on a glass Ptero picking idiots up who try to club his Ptero. GG. You proved the point. You watch these videos so apparently you're in a similar mindset. The people he picked are complete idiots who probably don't even PvP. They're probably random shmoes who don't even know they're on a PvP server and wonder wtf is happening when they get picked.

[The Waffle that Lurks]

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I don't think this is necessarily true. You can still pick people off rexes, wyverns can still use breath attack run bys, and griffin bombing is a thing. Flyers aren't as strong, but having some air support is useful. Land dinos just handle the siege role.

Picking people only works when the person you pick is a moron. If you pick someone who always has grappling hooks and parachutes you will lose your flyer. All it takes is a good damage firearm to kill it, all it takes to get un-picked is grappling the flyer and then pressing C. Picking simply is not a viable option when you play against anyone other than morons.

Wyverns and their attack weapons are minimal. If you're in range to hit someone with your breath attack you're in range of being grappled to and losing your Wyvern. Though, I do agree they provide some form of harass/utility in PvP so they're not entirely useless.

Griffins are the most viable in PvP due to the speed and burst damage. They are, however, easy to deal with after the initial burst. Again, though, not entirely useless and provide something in world PvP.

Raiding? None of these tames provide a single use in raiding. Anyone who brings Wyverns or Griffins to an enemy's base is a noob that should just go home. Raids consist of dodging enemy snipers, draining turrets, shooting enemy players, and strategizing on the fly when they do something unexpected.

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It's on official. Look at any other video he has and it's official with mostly flyers being used

You're cute. You actually believe he's on official when he loots several items from someone else's corpse and they provide 0 change in weight =D 1:15 in the cute little phony video you linked. GG.

Nevermind his ground running speed is enough to make Usain Bolt jealous...

[SwowS]

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I don't think this is necessarily true. You can still pick people off rexes, wyverns can still use breath attack run bys, and griffin bombing is a thing. Flyers aren't as strong, but having some air support is useful. Land dinos just handle the siege role.

Picking people only works when the person you pick is a moron. If you pick someone who always has grappling hooks and parachutes you will lose your flyer. All it takes is a good damage firearm to kill it, all it takes to get un-picked is grappling the flyer and then pressing C. Picking simply is not a viable option when you play against anyone other than morons.

Wyverns and their attack weapons are minimal. If you're in range to hit someone with your breath attack you're in range of being grappled to and losing your Wyvern. Though, I do agree they provide some form of harass/utility in PvP so they're not entirely useless.

Griffins are the most viable in PvP due to the speed and burst damage. They are, however, easy to deal with after the initial burst. Again, though, not entirely useless and provide something in world PvP.

Raiding? None of these tames provide a single use in raiding. Anyone who brings Wyverns or Griffins to an enemy's base is a noob that should just go home. Raids consist of dodging enemy snipers, draining turrets, shooting enemy players, and strategizing on the fly when they do something unexpected.

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It's on official. Look at any other video he has and it's official with mostly flyers being used

You're cute. You actually believe he's on official when he loots several items from someone else's corpse and they provide 0 change in weight =D 1:15 in the cute little phony video you linked. GG.

https://youtu.be/a4vTUUbPEMY

Again, only using flyers

[SwowS]

Alright, does anyone not want just insult me and call me a noob, and want to actually come up with some ideas to make ground mounts better. I don't care what u think about flyers, I just want ground mounts better

[Spades]

I'm going to unsubscribe. I no longer take your plight seriously. I was willing to meet you half way, but your unwilling to do the same. Have fun in your turmoil.

[Malak]

Funny how people think TEK is the only version of the game. Many of us do Prim only because guns and dinos makes zero sense. :-D

[Unknown]

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Funny how people think TEK is the only version of the game. Many of us do Prim only because guns and dinos makes zero sense. :-D

Now this is a viable argument. Primitive needs some love, and I personally would love to play on Primitive servers if there was a wee bit more attention given to it by the devs.

A discussion on balancing tames and pretty much everything else in primitive is a viable, necessary discussion imo. I could get on board with that.

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Alright, does anyone not want just insult me and call me a noob, and want to actually come up with some ideas to make ground mounts better. I don't care what u think about flyers, I just want ground mounts better

You are called a noob because only a noob would find it worthy to start two threads on why flyers being able to pick is SOOOOOO overpowered. Anyone who's progressed beyond stone knows that when you get picked, you:

1. Take a long sip of your coffee.
2. Laugh to yourself and get a bit giddy with the joy of your soon-to-be kill.
3. Pull out your <insert preferred firearm here> and shoot the idiot's Ptero a few times.
4. Use your chute and laugh as the "big bad pvp guy" is so stupid he doesn't even have a chute.
5. Loot him and remember "oh yeah, he's the noob who picked me, he doesn't have anything of interest to me".

Seatbelts are so far beyond necessary/wanted (especially with the recent flyer changes) that most people will not agree with your points. In fact, most people are happy with a lot of the content and just want optimizations and bug fixes.

My Longneck one-shots most Pteros. I say most, but I haven't seen a Ptero that it doesn't get one-shot by it yet, just being realistic as I don't think anyone pumps ONLY hp on a Ptero.

The recent changes require people to pump Stamina and Weight on a Ptero for it to do anything at all. Therefor, they're pure glass. They're useless for anything that could put them in a situation where they will take damage.

[Messy]

looks like you just have a problem with this game, no?