The true problem with fliers

[SwowS]

I feel like fliers kinda ruin the game. It's a cool concept, but poorly executed. The main problem with fliers (mostly in pvp) is the pick up ability. It takes almost no skill to pick some one up, and it is a huge counter to most small land Dinosaurs. If u notice, the fliers with no pick up ability never get used in pvp (moth and pela, and moths were supposed to be pvp based) yet Petra's are used all the time in pvp, even though it's supposed to be a scout Dino. So I think they should remove pickup for all fliers except Argents, and make it more skilled based, it should also be harder for fliers to take off, so that it isn't super easy to use fliers. So please comment and add your opinions about fliers

[Brax]

We've been asking for seat belts on mounts for almost two years. Even if they cost element and only come with tek tier there is no good reason not to have a pick prevention mechanic.

[Monty]

Originally posted by Brax:

We've been asking for seat belts on mounts for almost two years. Even if they cost element and only come with tek tier there is no good reason not to have a pick prevention mechanic.

It's not a priority and there's already many counters for being picked.

[Brax]

Originally posted by Bob:

It's not a priority and there's already many counters for being picked.

That's true enough, a grappling hook and pump shotgun make very short work of it. I would just like to see something as simple to make as a rope across your lap attached to your dino a thing in a game where magic lasers come out of a rex's chin

[Monty]

Originally posted by Brax:

Originally posted by Bob:

It's not a priority and there's already many counters for being picked.

That's true enough, a grappling hook and pump shotgun make very short work of it. I would just like to see something as simple to make as a rope across your lap attached to your dino a thing in a game where magic lasers come out of a rex's chin

I've given suggestions on multiple saddle types for tek tier where they would essentially provide gear to a dino by upgrading primitive saddles. However, this would be far off and in a pain DLC if it ever came about.

[Late Game Wonder]

Originally posted by Snek is Kek:

I want fliers to still be used, but not as the main creatures because there are 7 fliers and over 40 rideable land Dino's. I just want fliers except for combat specific ones to fill a different niche. I think it would look really cool seeing battles between people on thylas or barys

they do tho, how hard is it for you to understand that they do?
They exactly fill niches and they have been balanced massively.
Do not project your own problems onto the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game ffs.

Teras

Late early tames (level 38), good for fast travel, low on health, low on attack power, low on weight carry, low on stamina.
This famous bird can pick up smaller creatures but at the end of the day wants nothing more than being left in peace and can easily be imobalized by a simple bola.
However do not expect this gentle flying carnivore to last long in a battle.

Argentavis

Mid to early late tame, Slow flyer but strong in attacks, can have a decent health, has a good pool of stamina and can carry a decent amount of weight.
This giant eagle can lift medium sized creatures with its amazingly strong talons, lift them up to its beak and chop away at them.
Its aggressive temper makes it less than ideal to be tamed by a lone survivor.

Pelagornis

A specialized bird, not able to lift, low on carry weight but fast, a low stamina but a decent attack power although low on health.
Used for specific task of fishing on its back, or by its beak and hunting down kikus.

Tapejara

an early mid to mid tame, specialized in pvp battles and carrying multiple persons.
Has the ability to stick to a surface for precise fire power on enemy by the rider.
Can be equipped with tek armor to become a real contender for an actual battle mount however its less than satisfying health, lower than Argentavis carrying weight ability, lower stamin, lower attack power makes him more of a bird specifically used in building as its handling is superb hence being mostly used as a builder companion by the tribes.

Archy

This rare little critter is your very own living parachute, just hold onto his small legs and he will flap his wings although not very fast making it not the best choice if running away from enemy fire

Quez

Late game tame, this flying fortress is the largest bird to every roam or fly in the skies.
Quetz is an extremely difficult tame that normally involves either another quetz or several persons.
It is able to carry a lot of weight making it a living freighter, it is also able to wear a saddle that has a platform making it possible to make it a flying war machine equipped with turrets and other stuff.
Quetz has a high carrying capacity, high stamina, high health, slow speed, and decent attack power.
This creature is typically used for carrying massive amount of metal and stone and wood.

Moth

Early tame, not available on all maps.
This flyer loves nothing more than being left alone.
If provoked he will try to discourage you with spreading toxic spores from its behind while flying away.
To tame this creature a bola and some mejo berries are useful.
Moth can not lift you or carry you if too heavy. it has decent speed and limited stamina and low attack power making it less than useful unless specifically desired because of its looks and unique ditterent.

Wyvern

Extremely dangerous creatures of a mythical land have recently found their ways into other worlds and pose extreme danger towards any and all living creatures.
These flying worms can shoot projectiles towards their prey depending on their nature.
The reported different species so far have been Fire breather, Poison spitter and lightning emitter with reports of a new species coming of a Fire breather with an ice cold firy breath able to freeze any creature it comes upon however this rare creature is only found in frozen mountains of Ragnarok.
Wyverns unlike dragons have no intelligence and reason behind their nature, they are aggressive and vengeful creatures that will not tolerate any trespasser specially if the said person gets to close to their nest.
These flying nightmares will follow you in packs and burn you with different elements being fire, poison, lightning or ice fire.
Taming these creatures is not possible under any condition.
Their violent nature makes them untamable however, if one is able to come into possession of a wyvern egg it is possible to raise a wyvern as one's own baby as the infant wyvern will recognize you as its mother or father.
However raising a baby wyvern is no easy task as these baby flying death machines only crave wyvern milk which means you have to either kill an alpha wyvern or knock out female wyverns for their milk.
However remember that this milk will spoil very fast and can not be kept for too long.
It is not recommended to try to sedate wyverns solo.
These creatures when tamed can be great battle mounts.
Their attack power is high, their health is high and they have decent carrying capacity.
They are also slow and their stamina leaves more to be desired.
Also they are not the smoothest of fliers and controlling them can be less than desirable.
They can lift some of the heavier creatures of the land but at the end of the day they are no Quetz.

Griffin

These creatures have been a part of humanities mythology for ages, however no living person had laid eyes upon them untill explorers brought news of a faraway land they had named Ragnarok. Many of the early settlers wondered why these explorers had named this beautiful land Ragnarok until one day a winged creature with body of lion and head of eagle attacked their settlement.
From that day onward the people of Ragnarok have come to fear the hills and forests of these lands as the proud and mighty Griffins might be anywhere waiting for their chance to make a good meal out of any bypasser.
It wasn't too long before the people devised a plan and tricked some Griffins into traps and tamed these ferocious creatures but the danger of a wild Griffin is unmatched by anything else according to some folk.
This creature is as mighty and powerful as the old tales told us.
With powerful beaks, razor sharp talons and fast speed Griffin is a foe to respect.
These creatures however can not lift much and are not able to pick up most creatures.
However if able to tame a griffin will surely benifit any tribe eager to take over the lands.



i literally had to become a damn lore book for you, maybe you finally can understand.

[Brax]

Originally posted by Late Game Wonder:

i literally had to become a damn lore book for you, maybe you finally can understand.

The moth is better than it looks since the rebalance after the nerf. You still need to spend like half its points in stamina but a high level moth goes almost as fast as a ptera on sprint, and finding excellent saddles for them is very easy. Due to the ptera stamina being so completely suck without spending 90% of it's levels there, I'd take a moth over a ptera for scouting and drop hunting

[Kryzzk]

Originally posted by Snek is Kek:

I want fliers to still be used, but not as the main creatures because there are 7 fliers and over 40 rideable land Dino's. I just want fliers except for combat specific ones to fill a different niche. I think it would look really cool seeing battles between people on thylas or barys

so what you want is for all of us to play the way YOU want and don't understand the problem, well, I want you to play the way I want whats the problem?

I don't want to HAVE to grab a land dino to fight If I'm on my flyer, I want my flyers to be good for fighting IF that's how I have leveled them, I never had a problem defending against flyers, my tribe was even able to repel attacks by tons of wyverns, it wasn't until the attacking tribe snuck in close on the ground with rockets while we were offline that they even stood a chance.

Originally posted by Snek is Kek:

5. As I said about 600 times in this post, I want fliers to fill a different niche besides the go to mount

and I like to fly so I want to Keep my flyer as the Go to mount.

If Im in a battle I know I'm about to loose, when I run to my flyer to retreat I don't want my flyer to be slow with low hitpoints, or not have the ability to pick me and my gear up off the ground
because YOU else felt that they should be that way,

If I want to attack with my flyer I want to loose because the other person was well defended or better than me, not because some panzy doesn't like them and felt that flyers should not be able to be a combat animal.

Because of people like you, my flyers have been nerfed to death. I wish people would LEARN to play rather than getting everything nerfed for whatever reason. I have yet to see 1 justifyed nerf in this game, they have all been because people didn't want to learn how to use the dino's or defend against them.

This is no different, you want the change because you feel it's unfair that other people can use flyers in a way you can't or don't want to.

[Late Game Wonder]

Originally posted by Brax:

Originally posted by Late Game Wonder:

i literally had to become a damn lore book for you, maybe you finally can understand.

The moth is better than it looks since the rebalance after the nerf. You still need to spend like half its points in stamina but a high level moth goes almost as fast as a ptera on sprint, and finding excellent saddles for them is very easy. Due to the ptera stamina being so completely suck without spending 90% of it's levels there, I'd take a moth over a ptera for scouting and drop hunting

Well I have not actually been able to use a moth for more than test when they first were released.
Wanted to tame one in ragnarok but they were all so low leveled that I decided to put my time into a wolf instead :P

[Itharus]

Pteras are fast and can barrel roll, which armor pens. That's why they are used in PVP :-P

Also, you can disable pickup on a custom server.

[SwowS]

Originally posted by Kryzzk:

Originally posted by Snek is Kek:

I want fliers to still be used, but not as the main creatures because there are 7 fliers and over 40 rideable land Dino's. I just want fliers except for combat specific ones to fill a different niche. I think it would look really cool seeing battles between people on thylas or barys

so what you want is for all of us to play the way YOU want and don't understand the problem, well, I want you to play the way I want whats the problem?

I don't want to HAVE to grab a land dino to fight If I'm on my flyer, I want my flyers to be good for fighting IF that's how I have leveled them, I never had a problem defending against flyers, my tribe was even able to repel attacks by tons of wyverns, it wasn't until the attacking tribe snuck in close on the ground with rockets while we were offline that they even stood a chance.

Originally posted by Snek is Kek:

5. As I said about 600 times in this post, I want fliers to fill a different niche besides the go to mount

and I like to fly so I want to Keep my flyer as the Go to mount.

If Im in a battle I know I'm about to loose, when I run to my flyer to retreat I don't want my flyer to be slow with low hitpoints, or not have the ability to pick me and my gear up off the ground
because YOU else felt that they should be that way,

If I want to attack with my flyer I want to loose because the other person was well defended or better than me, not because some panzy doesn't like them and felt that flyers should not be able to be a combat animal.

Because of people like you, my flyers have been nerfed to death. I wish people would LEARN to play rather than getting everything nerfed for whatever reason. I have yet to see 1 justifyed nerf in this game, they have all been because people didn't want to learn how to use the dino's or defend against them.

This is no different, you want the change because you feel it's unfair that other people can use flyers in a way you can't or don't want to.

I don't want to have to use fliers, but because they're soooooo overpowering and can effortlessly pick someone off a bear. U basically need a flier in pvp. Also the thing about escaping on a Ptera shows that everyone who doesn't want this to happen is mostly just bad at the game.

[SwowS]

Also, I'm talking about scrimmages away from any bases. Just for clarification

[SwowS]

I just want to see how this would effect the game, and see how the pvp meta would change

[Monty]

Originally posted by Snek is Kek:

I just want to see how this would effect the game, and see how the pvp meta would change

I already told you how it would change because I played on populated no flier servers. Know why their pop is so low nowadays? Because after 2 weeks you realize just how tedious and boring it is to play in that environment. You really don't have a right talking about people being "bad" at the game if you're still talking about fliers needing a nerf after all this.

[Donttouchmyhohos]

I agree with op on this, once you get a flier every other form of travel is 100% pointless. It makes using them with combat pointless as well. I'm not going to use a ground mount to kill a ground dino with i have a ptra with max attack and stamina. I'm just going to spin to win and kill ground dinos. If I want to lure a dino away or lure to tame etc, im not going to use a ground mount. I'm going to use a flier and make it 100x easier. Fliers make this game go from a survival type game to the environment no means ♥♥♥♥. I want paste from beavers? I fly right on to the dam and grab the paste and immediately fly away. Beavers now become 100% pointless. I dont care if they can or can not pick up people, flyers make this game super easy mode and a joke. The difficulty almost entirely vanishes.

[cr4ck]

the hole pvp system in ark is nonskillbased. u just use dinos and left klick ur mouse. nobody can tell me this is skill based.