Griffin destroying X-plants too easily

[CLM]

Griffin dive bomb attack is 1 shotting X-plants and receiving no damage in return because it's too fast.

I have footage of this.. Destroying up to 5 plants in 1 hit.

Official primitive defence is only Xplants so I can see why this hasn't been brought up in tech.

But surely the flyer nerf was to stop a pter doing this? So why has the griffin not been been addressed.

[CLM]

Originally posted by #Sw!zZ.Pii:

Can I watch you destroying 350 xplants in 30 minutes in primitive without a Griffin? :)

+1

[dynalon]

Originally posted by 123:

If your defenses fail in 5 minutes, you more than likely have more stuff than you can defend. A PvE mindset, on a PvP game doesn't work. If your base cannot hold off an unsaddled bird, for 5 minutes, while you're offline, then don't have a base that would look interesting to said Griffin rider. Plain and simple. Thousands of tames, in an exposed yard, with no coverage=PvE mindset. Base that's large, but lightly defended=PvE mindset. Griffins don't need fixed, you need to change gametypes.

Ok let me go into more detail, I am talking about Chinese tribe here, they dont raid to steal your stuff, they raid you so they can kill your dinos, you and destroy your stuff, one night they blew up aproximately 800 barrels during their "raid", they were blowing up brick walls and defenders were rebuilding them. This has nothing to do with PvE mindset, we had 350 x plants in different places and angles all dinos hidden in brick buildings, gates and doors replaced by walls everytime we went offline but if your only tool of defense = x plant, which is supposed to delay attacker, while you are offline can be taken down by a dino in matter of minutes then its clearly fault of the game (not that ascendant bows with fire arrows are balanced either but thats not a subject here).

[CLM]

Originally posted by 123:

Originally posted by Zayisha:

- You need obstacle free ground to do a successfull dive. -> protect the xplant perimeter
- You ARE a sitting duck after a dive. you are even not consideed flying anymore. -> those other xplants hurt/slow you down. you are exposed to arrows, flame arrows, tranq darts, chain bolas.
- your airspace gets violated? use you flyers and bring him down -> biggest rule: air superiority.

- you don't need obstacle free area, dive attack has quite large area of effect
- the more obstacles you put around your xplants the less effective they are, because you block them with any obstacle as well
- there are two types of attack with griffin, dive bomb where you ram the ground and the other one where you swipe while diving close above your target, swipe actually does 3x times more damage than dive bomb and if griffin has enough points in melee damage it can kill xplants with one hit
- try to achieve air superiority while you are offline, you can't be on 24/7 and if your defenses fall in 5 minutes there is clearly something wrong (few days ago we had a base on primitive plus with 350+ x plants in different places, they destroyed them all in less than 30 minutes with griffins and ascendant longbows + fire arrows)

Issue stated by OP stands - killing X plants with griffin is way too easy.

+1

[Adapa]

Not really i disagree i was offline for 24 hours my bases xplants killed a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Titan lol. You should be able to protect your base from an offline raid if you put in the time, but we also had around 5k+ xplants, either way i agree that the griffins attack is way to OP, it will not only one shot xplants, it will also one shot riders off of any mount, even in decent iron armor, Their dive bomb allows them to keep up with wyverns making it very easy to shoot them down with a rider and a musket, let alone the dive bomb attack. Air Superiority? what air superiority? they outrange xplants, you can sit on the back and spam fire arrows wiping out whole areas of xplants and dinos. You get a few of these in the sky your bound to start wiping anything you want, especially not even mentioning the fact the can reach high 20's and even low 30's in thousands of HP, so the "fact" they are sitting ducks is a bunch of BS, they very easily get in and out, pump meat, and back for more.

[Lance]

Deploy Auto Turrets... i know you can't because you play primitive.
But you will see that you can't belance around a game mode that is offering only 1/3 of the full game mode.
Belancing Griffins to that Game Mode would break them.

Solution: don't make them tame-/rideable in primitive.

[Lance]

Originally posted by Adapa:

Not really i disagree i was offline for 24 hours my bases xplants killed a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Titan lol. You should be able to protect your base from an offline raid if you put in the time, but we also had around 5k+ xplants, either way i agree that the griffins attack is way to OP, it will not only one shot xplants, it will also one shot riders off of any mount, even in decent iron armor, Their dive bomb allows them to keep up with wyverns making it very easy to shoot them down with a rider and a musket, let alone the dive bomb attack. Air Superiority? what air superiority? they outrange xplants, you can sit on the back and spam fire arrows wiping out whole areas of xplants and dinos. You get a few of these in the sky your bound to start wiping anything you want, especially not even mentioning the fact the can reach high 20's and even low 30's in thousands of HP, so the "fact" they are sitting ducks is a bunch of BS, they very easily get in and out, pump meat, and back for more.

Air superiority is not achived on the ground.
But as it was pinted out, those folks are talking about offline raids. so yeah, you can scrap the air superiority part here.

[Adapa]

Or you balance the tame, like they supposedly did to the other flyers, yet made pteradon completely useless with the introduction of Griffen, and Quetzal? ROFL, cant even use them anymore they are sitting ducks, unless you pump 60k health

[Lance]

the other flyers are not belanced, they are broken atm.

[Adapa]

the solution to air superiority to a Griffen should not only be another Griffen? please explain wht tame is wrecking Griffens other than other Griffens?

[Adapa]

Which was my point, you cant even balance the other flyers properly, so the solution is to introduce a totally new OP flyer LOL!

[dynalon]

Originally posted by Adapa:

yet made pteradon completely useless with the introduction of Griffen

Actually I find ptera useful at pulling griffins into taming pen :D

[Lance]

Lightning Wyvern, Ptera... if you have a good "Pilot".

But as stated above by someone, they are talking about offline raids.

[Adapa]

But to the point the problem not only lies in the Griffen being OP, The Xplants are ♥♥♥♥, They can be drained with a foundation and the crouch button, or a window, Their response time is about 5 seconds to slow lol, And no matter how many you put up, they can always be outranged, and being people can build what is it 13 or 16 spaces from your territory, Plants fire 22 spaces at max range, making it very easy to do just that plop up yourself a nice wall, and DRAIN ON, who needs the OP Griffen anyway LOL!

[Adapa]

Lightning Wyvern is about the best ive found, but are very easily outmanuvered and shot down by the Griffen with a good passenger, Lightnings are Glass cannons, takes about 5 or 6 shots from a decent Musket, Which is another thing that is OP at the moment lol,

[Lance]

Originally posted by Adapa:

But to the point the problem not only lies in the Griffen being OP, The Xplants are ♥♥♥♥, They can be drained with a foundation and the crouch button, or a window, Their response time is about 5 seconds to slow lol, And no matter how many you put up, they can always be outranged, and being people can build what is it 13 or 16 spaces from your territory, Plants fire 22 spaces at max range, making it very easy to do just that plop up yourself a nice wall, and DRAIN ON, who needs the OP Griffen anyway LOL!

I agree. As i told said, the Griffin is not the Problem.

Don't nerf Griffin... Buff X-Plant!