beacons and beds make flyer item transport useless?(and not because of the nerf!)

[jacob99]

so a little bit ago on survivetheark forums i was bored and looking through one of those generic *flyer nerf is bad blaah blaah blaah* threads when this one guys said something along the lines of it isnt bad if you think outside the box and then he gave an amazing thing i( and from what i have seen, many people) have never thought of!

so you know how beds allow you to feast travel between them but with no items (thus no practical use, or so we thought), well what the guy said made me realize something, since the obi/pto(personal tek obelisk)/beacons now can hold items and have share storage like minecrafts ender chest. he said that you could lets say, have a bed next to a beacon or obelisk, put your stuff in the shared beacon/obi/pto storage, fast travel to the other bed that is where you want to be, and then pull your stuff back out of the beacon/obi/pto there and BOOM you just instantly crossed the whole map WITH your items, and with the personal tek obelisk (if you unlocked and have one) then its even better since you dont even have to be near a obelisk or a beacon. even better still, if you have the element, you could set up one tek obelisk and one bed by every artifact and be able to teleport straight to each one and get them all in a few minutes without even doing a cave. also for example, if you mine 30 stacks of metal at the blue obelisk, you could put all the metal and your gear in the obelisk and then teleport with a bed to your base and take the metal out from your nearest beacon at your base or even better, take it out of a tek obelisk that is inside your base next to a convenient industrial smelter that you could transfer it to

why fly for 10(now double with the nerf)minutes to transport thousands of metal when you could transport it instantly with obi/bea/pto and a bed?
ps: this isnt me complaing just telling others about it to help them since flyers got nerf and not as good at transporting tons of items like metal anymore.

[jacob99]

Escrito originalmente por kampfer91:

Escrito originalmente por jacob99:

not complaining, many people dont know about it, so i tell them to help after the recent nerf to the flyers. also i know that was a joke

People already figure it out . no need to tell on the forum where dev can see the post....

never seen them talk about it. been watchinng forums and ark videos every day for the past year and never saw one merthion about it. besides, i doubt i dev will see this, thats very rare. and if they did, what would they do? disable item/dino transfer (honestly wouldnt people be happy about that, no more mega alpha tribe upload invasions), turn off bed fast travel and make you only able to respawn in the last bed you placed/where in? doubt it.

[jacob99]

Escrito originalmente por SteelFire:

Seriously, how are you not understanding how this concept applies across any of that sort of thing?

PvP... unless you're the alpha tribe, I don't care what you build with, if you block up access to an obelisk, beacon drop, resource spawn, cave... wtf ever desirable location... the Alpha will come along and blow up your stuff.

PvE, no amount fo damage buff does any good, because you can't attack other people's structures... unless you kite in a big old hostile dino. And don't think that wouldn't get done if you block up those desirable locations. Beyond that, you'll get reported on official. On unofficial, again, their server, their rules. This was exactly why WC had to reverse their nerf on pillaring in PvE, because one of the big uses was people pillaring resource and dino spawn areas (which don't blcok spawning) to prevent fools from building structures in that blocked spawning.

at no point did i say block a freaking obelisk, just make a bed close to the area and maybe put a 1x1x1 base around it! no blocking whats so ever. why would you block a whole obelisk jsut to build a small base thats close to it that countains nothing? why would anyone destroy it if it is blocking nothing and has nothing in it besides to just be a bunch of a-holes. and the alpha where a bunch of a-holes then you wont have to worry about transporting metal or anything... because the alpha wouldnt let you gte it in the first place. i said build near. hwo the heck does build near mean build right on top of the freakin thing and surround it with turrets? it dosnet, not even close. i understand perfectly, of course if you block the obelisk/beacosn, your stuff will get blown up. just dont block it, just build in slightly over-encumbered walking distance so you can get the stuff out and walk to your base. (unless you have a tek transmitter, you can place though anywhere without need of a obelisk or beacon.) dont block off a obelisjk,dont block a cave, dont play on a server where the alpha destroys any thing they see, even if they have nothing to gain. and dont block up desired locations!

[SteelFire]

You're just reaching now. Unless you're building a base capable of storing a dino to gather the resources for you, then you're already transporting a critter in, so what's the point of jumping through the hoops of building your mini-base that's far enough from the upload location that it won't interfere with the resource spawns; you'll have to use a dino for transport to/from anyway?

I mean, you can't possibly be suggesting hand gathering of resources and walking them back and forth to your upload location, because that would just be even more silly.

You've got the hours to understand that. You've got the hours to understand foundation blocking radius. So, again, how is this hypothesis of yours really logistically feasible when compared to mass transport dinos?

[jacob99]

Escrito originalmente por SteelFire:

You're just reaching now. Unless you're building a base capable of storing a dino to gather the resources for you, then you're already transporting a critter in, so what's the point of jumping through the hoops of building your mini-base that's far enough from the upload location that it won't interfere with the resource spawns; you'll have to use a dino for transport to/from anyway?

I mean, you can't possibly be suggesting hand gathering of resources and walking them back and forth to your upload location, because that would just be even more silly.

You've got the hours to understand that. You've got the hours to understand foundation blocking radius. So, again, how is this hypothesis of yours really logistically feasible when compared to mass transport dinos?

walking a dino takes way less time then using flyers and way way less time then a transport land dino like a bronto. especially manits, even when i was just 30 weight off from being over encumbered on ith (4 stacks on metal) i was able to circle the whole mountain from spamming the lunge jump. just use logic. no matter what you do, the distance you would need to move the resources from the gathering area to the upload is way less then the distance to gather them and move them all the way to your base. also transporting a critter with you is easy, just upload it and put the saddle in the item transfer, then at the place you want to mine, like the blue obelisk, just down load it and equip it saddle and mine. only one less item transfer space out off the 50 you have for the saddle.

[123(RON)]

This is really only convenient if you are farming next to a drop or obi, and then offloading it all at a drop that is right where you need to be.. That doesnt exactly make anything else obsolete.. As a solo player with no means to carry anything heavy/lots of items (left a huge alpha tribe to play solo again), I wouldnt even do that unless the 2 drops were in PERFECT locations.

[jacob99]

Escrito originalmente por 123:

This is really only convenient if you are farming next to a drop or obi, and then offloading it all at a drop that is right where you need to be.. That doesnt exactly make anything else obsolete.. As a solo player with no means to carry anything heavy/lots of items (left a huge alpha tribe to play solo again), I wouldnt even do that unless the 2 drops were in PERFECT locations.

fatser then flying if they are close, and beacons are everywhere. there probably is a close one. and if not matter what there no close beacon some how, there is always the tek trans once you get it. if its faster to get there from flying then then walking with a dino to the upload beacon/obelisk, then just fly to the upload and bring the flyer with you. transport you can use to get to the place you want to go can be transported with you. so just fly or use a land dino to get to the closet obelisk then use it to teleport you and your dinos as close as possible to the place you want that has a bed. just like taking a major short cut. since the map is coevred in beacons, if the place you want to go i closer then any beacon spawn then it has to be only one minute away. if you find a one minute walk troubling then your just lazy.

[illuminati_eric]

OMG THIS IS PERFECT I LOVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SteelFire]

Escrito originalmente por jacob99:

Escrito originalmente por 123:

This is really only convenient if you are farming next to a drop or obi, and then offloading it all at a drop that is right where you need to be.. That doesnt exactly make anything else obsolete.. As a solo player with no means to carry anything heavy/lots of items (left a huge alpha tribe to play solo again), I wouldnt even do that unless the 2 drops were in PERFECT locations.

fatser then flying if they are close, and beacons are everywhere. there probably is a close one. and if not matter what there no close beacon some how, there is always the tek trans once you get it. if its faster to get there from flying then then walking with a dino to the upload, then just fly to the upload and bring the flyer with you.

And you've just negated your entire freaking premise of placing down beds so you didn't have to move slow dinos around, because it... just... takes... soooo... long. And/or, you've just negated your entire point about having a bunch of tiny bed huts, because now you need to have safe dino storage too. Oh, and relying on beacons to move materials effectively... yeah, have fun guessing which 'nearby' one will spawn in a timely manner to go pick up everything you uploaded, taking your land or air critter to go haul it all back since you won't have a bunch of time for a bunch of trips.

If you've gotten to tek tier, you sure as heck should have the dinos to effectively go mass gather resources. And FYI, a properly stamina and weight levelled Quetz may be a lot slower than it used to be, but it's still an effective heavy hauler and faster than going overland due to terrain.

And while you're farting around with all that and not anywhere near done, I've already hauled out 20-30 stacks of raw metal or have even more smelting down on the back of a platform saddle for transport back. maybe even heading out on a second trip.

@123 gets it. This little trick is only effective for less established players and not using beds, just using the upload feature to maximize capacity, but it's still not very efficient.

[76561198378312139]

Congrats, you discovered the sun...

[jacob99]

Escrito originalmente por SteelFire:

Escrito originalmente por jacob99:

fatser then flying if they are close, and beacons are everywhere. there probably is a close one. and if not matter what there no close beacon some how, there is always the tek trans once you get it. if its faster to get there from flying then then walking with a dino to the upload, then just fly to the upload and bring the flyer with you.

And you've just negated your entire freaking premise of placing down beds so you didn't have to move slow dinos around, because it... just... takes... soooo... long. And/or, you've just negated your entire point about having a bunch of tiny bed huts, because now you need to have safe dino storage too. Oh, and relying on beacons to move materials effectively... yeah, have fun guessing which 'nearby' one will spawn in a timely manner to go pick up everything you uploaded, taking your land or air critter to go haul it all back since you won't have a bunch of time for a bunch of trips.

If you've gotten to tek tier, you sure as heck should have the dinos to effectively go mass gather resources. And FYI, a properly stamina and weight levelled Quetz may be a lot slower than it used to be, but it's still an effective heavy hauler and faster than going overland due to terrain.

And while you're farting around with all that and not anywhere near done, I've already hauled out 20-30 stacks of raw metal or have even more smelting down on the back of a platform saddle for transport back. maybe even heading out on a second trip.

@123 gets it. This little trick is only effective for less established players and not using beds, just using the upload feature to maximize capacity, but it's still not very efficient.

teleport your dino with you, why would you need to leave him there. and it would be alot fatser to walk a slow dino to a beacon then to walk a slow dino across the freaking map. if the clsoet one is to there just fly there. less flyin g need to go to a clost beacon then where you want to be unless its right next to you and this isnt about mass gathering, its about transporting what you gathered and every land dino/ flyer is alot slower. you can FLY to the closet beacon you know, you dont have to just only go overland if one isnt walking distance. and of course you have that much all while i was typing this, its been 2 HOURS, even thou flyers and land are slow, they arnt that slow (usally). its effective for anyone. beds can be placced or hidden at a common place you farm alot, like behind a rock at blue obelisk for metal. i have mutlple wyverns and breed quetz and this is way fatser (unless i use my wyvern and only take one stack but thats only slightly faster and transports 1 stack instead of 40 stacks) . more effeicent then wyvern, then quetz, then land dinos. havent seen anyone suggest better.

EDIT: i farm my metal at the blue obi, (since the other places are covered in gigas and the only safe close place aka volcano is going to be covered in lava REAL soon.) the obi is dead center of all the metal and they are always there, obi dont move. most traveling is from going from my hidden lake base to the closet beacon, which is way closer then the blue obelisk. and metal is the only resource that you ever really need to transport. not wood. not meat. not stone, those are everywhere and super common. this helps for the biggest resource for transport, metal. and building close to blue obi is suicide, place covered in dire wolves and gigas. i just fly with my wyvern/ quezt to the closet beacon with an mantis, set down a sleeping bag or bed, upload the wyvern/quezt/mantis and there saddles the fast travel with the bed to a hidden sleeping bag on blue obi, walk up to the obi, take out my fur saddles and download my dinos, mine the metal, put the metal, myy stuff, and dinos back in the obi. fast travel with hidden bag/bed to base. go to nearest beacon with a ptera or galli. down load them, and walk back to my base with my dinos flying behind me with my many stacks of metal for just a one minute walk or less back to my base. way fatser then flying there with a mantis using a wyvern/quezt then slowly flying back near over encumbered with metal taking up to around 25 min to an hour

[jacob99]

Escrito originalmente por drax:

Congrats, you discovered the sun...

guess that means stating what everyone already know about, but that isnt really true since i have not seen anyone thats know about this in 2 years, maybe they are quite and keep to them selves or something but everyone defiently dont know about it, some maybe, but not everyone