ARK: Survival Evolved

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Need tips for underwater exploring.
So after realizing you kinda need higher than engram quality gear to do a lot of the end game stuff I tried hunting for deep sea loot crates. First I brought I level 100 something spino and got it killed by mantas after attacking a basilo so yeah my fault. Next I tamed an itchy and went out alone and got murdered by a squid so I thought okay I need a more powerful mount and help from a team mate so this doesn't go horribly. So I went out and tamed a level 50ish plesio and built a platform saddle so I could bring my team mate. Because of the weird as hell angles I got attacked by another squid and it knocked me off my mount and killed me or something as well as my friend so I'm trying to figure out what to do here. Is it really just taking the years if takes to hunt down a pack of high level Mosas and kibble tame them, or am I missing something?
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Nemo May 2, 2017 @ 1:58pm 
A half dozen sharks and a couple of Mosasaurs should be plenty for basic exploration... until you get your own squid, at which point you become POSIEDON, GOD OF THE SEA!

Another option you might look into is establishing a stone pillar base out in the ocean that doesn't screw up any decent resource spawns... to use as a pen for your aquatic animals and a foundation for your sea base. Long travel distances tend to take a toll no matter what your animals happen to be or how many of them you've got.

If you decide to make a water pen, here's a helpful tip... a turtle on passive at the surface next to your feeding trough. When it's time to park all your fish, get on the turtle and press J, then get off the turtle and fly away on a bird. If you left the rest of your pen on neutral or aggressive, they will defend themselves and one another then return to the stationary passive turtle when the fight is over. A turtle specifically because they don't take up much space, are extremely easy to keep fed for very long periods of time, and if they do somehow manage to be attacked by anything small enough to get inside a base it'll take a month for them to die.

Plesiosaur isn't a particularly good fish, it's mostly useful as a troop transport that moves relatively quickly until you can tame a mosasaur. Sharks are a bit like a jet-ski adjusted for the dangerous waters of the ark. Mosasaur is the mack truck of the ocean. Oh and don't count out the ugly catfish just because it's slow... dunkleosteus is actually an extremely useful fish to keep around, so get at least one of those for your water pen.
Last edited by Nemo; May 2, 2017 @ 2:06pm
Originally posted by Marduk:
A half dozen sharks and a couple of Mosasaurs should be plenty for basic exploration... until you get your own squid, at which point you become POSIEDON, GOD OF THE SEA!

Another option you might look into is establishing a stone pillar base out in the ocean that doesn't screw up any decent resource spawns... to use as a pen for your aquatic animals and a foundation for your sea base. Long travel distances tend to take a toll no matter what your animals happen to be or how many of them you've got.

If you decide to make a water pen, here's a helpful tip... a turtle on passive at the surface next to your feeding trough. When it's time to park all your fish, get on the turtle and press J, then get off the turtle and fly away on a bird. If you left the rest of your pen on neutral or aggressive, they will defend themselves and one another then return to the stationary passive turtle when the fight is over. A turtle specifically because they don't take up much space, are extremely easy to keep fed for very long periods of time, and if they do somehow manage to be attacked by anything small enough to get inside a base it'll take a month for them to die.

Plesiosaur isn't a particularly good fish, it's mostly useful as a troop transport that moves relatively quickly until you can tame a mosasaur. Sharks are a bit like a jet-ski adjusted for the dangerous waters of the ark. Mosasaur is the mack truck of the ocean. Oh and don't count out the ugly catfish just because it's slow... dunkleosteus is actually an extremely useful fish to keep around, so get at least one of those for your water pen.

So I took your advice to heart and it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I tamed a level 96 megalodon and it died to three jelly fish and a few mantas, lost a couple sets of scuba armor in the process there. Tamed more sharks and a plesio again this one was level 75 though, it died trying to kill the same jelly fish a few pirhanas. I really am glad that we have a min stego though that makes me want to play and explore so much more.
Nemo May 6, 2017 @ 8:33pm 
Originally posted by UNCLE TATER A.K.A TATER SALAD:
So I took your advice to heart and it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I tamed a level 96 megalodon and it died to three jelly fish and a few mantas, lost a couple sets of scuba armor in the process there. Tamed more sharks and a plesio again this one was level 75 though, it died trying to kill the same jelly fish a few pirhanas. I really am glad that we have a min stego though that makes me want to play and explore so much more.

You tamed one shark... it died. You tamed "more sharks" (my recommendation was half a dozen and I described them as a jet-ski, I'm guessing you stopped at two) and a plesio (which I described as not a particularly good fish that's mostly useful as a troop transport for taking a tribe to get a mosasaur together) and then you go off on a rant about a stego... if that's taking my advice to heart, I think I'd rather see what happens when you think you've done the opposite of what I said.

6 sharks, 2 Mosasaurs, 1 turtle (dunkleosteus optional)... and a sea-bound fishtank extending all the way from the bottom of the ocean to the surface. That was my advice. The end goal there was to aim for a Kraken... which is a LOT of effort, and requires having a pen for at least two mosasaurs, which in turn requires having a group of sharks to defend that pen with enough zeal that some of them will survive the night so you can keep the numbers up.

You didn't even attempt what I suggested, so don't pretend that your failed attempt at less than half of what I suggested doing is somehow my fault. All of that stuff I just recommended to you, I know I can do it alone... I recommended you do it with a tribe because you've not spent the time dying hundreds of times in the ocean to learn how spawns work, where not to log out when you own fish, how to have some fish still be on the same side of the map as you after you go to sleep, the logistics it takes to construct even one pillar from the floor to the surface... but I have done all of those things repeatedly.

Now that I see you're still green enough to think a Stegosaurus is an awesome utility animal, the one thing I can accept blame for is assuming that you'd played ARK at all.
Last edited by Nemo; May 6, 2017 @ 8:37pm
Cat Burglar May 6, 2017 @ 8:37pm 
Personally, it depends on the map. Basilo's are good against jelly's and eels, but they can't dive deep without taking damage. Taming a icthy could be good but you have to be careful and avoid everything. Mega's suck. The best deep water mount is the plesi' but it still sucks against eels and jelly fish. For basic resorce diving take a basil untill you get something big, but be careful of its deep water health. Get a plesi and use it tame a mosasaur for the real underwater stuff on the center like killing squids although on the island basils can dive deep enough to kill squids for black pearls and can't be grabbed. basils can be great mounts on the island and can't get hurt by electricity and can get down deep unlike the center were you need a plesi to get deep. On the center tame a plesi and get a mosa asap to get a decent amount of underwater resouces.
I was also kidding about your tips being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I'm mad at this janky game, I appreciate your input lol
I also haven't been able to find many mossas, I found one trapped in a rock that's level 2 and I found an alpaca but I want none of that, I've been killing the water dinos in hopes more spawn and it's based on weight like the land dinos, idk. I'm more just trying to figure out something effective cause if a level 160 something mega and a 110 plesio died to some jellys and pirhanas I'm not sure How I'll be able to do any deep water exploring at all
Nemo May 6, 2017 @ 9:24pm 
Originally posted by UNCLE TATER A.K.A TATER SALAD:
I was also kidding about your tips being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I'm mad at this janky game, I appreciate your input lol

The ocean does leave a lot to be desired, you have my sympathies. The only thing you really need to keep in mind as you move forward is... no matter how big you're thinking right now, keep scaling it up until that crown gets too heavy. Twenty Mosasaurs is a hell of a lot of sea-lizard, but there are situations where even that's not enough to deal with what the ocean will throw at you. Sustainable industry is the way to go, man. Turn monumental tasks into daily chores... industry. Never take no for an answer, Calypso is just playing hard to get. She really wants you to plunder her clams and fondle her pearls. ;)
THE TENTACLE LORD May 6, 2017 @ 11:07pm 
It does, much more treacherous than land ever could be, found two crates so far with a Jm megaloceros saddle and a mc ghile mask, the end game gets hard cause I need the better weapons from the sea to do the caves and the crossbows for the tames so. Thanks for the help though gentlemen it's appreciated
THE TENTACLE LORD May 6, 2017 @ 11:16pm 
Is there anything you can do about jellys besides a high level basilo, mantas maybe? It sucks having to get off and try to use a crossbow, risky as hell, it just seems like I need a full tribe to experience the game which isn't fun on non dedicated servers
Nemo May 7, 2017 @ 12:16am 
You have two real options there, tater.

Superior numbers is the most reliable one... six sharks defending one another tend to ramp up from 70 to 450 damage per second in three seconds or less, and can easily survive a thousand damage worth of incoming fire each before becoming chum. It should take more than one hit from a jelly to knock one out regardless of their level... so with six of them on guard duty there will always be 5 to respond to an incoming attack from any direction with a combined damage output slightly greater than the standard health of one shark. This "deathball" method may not always be quite as reliable against the obscenely OP damage output and attack speeds of the mantas... but mantas are fragile like toilet paper so if anything hits them once or even twice they're toast in spite of doing 400 damage per second on average. This is why the shark retains superiority over the manta for guard duty.

Your second option is a method I like to call "superior firepower" which requires at least two Mosasaurs to pull off. In this scenario you've tamed two mosasaurs and have something else you can also ride (possibly a third Mosasaur, but because of their maneuverability issues I'd actually recommend either a shark or the diving gator instead as your leader mount). The superior firepower of a three hundred point AoE attack the size of a stegosaurus surrounding the Mosa's head and that goes off every second like clockwork... from two directions this is a wave of absolute devastation without escape, as you will quickly learn from nature herself once you start trying to explore underwater caves. The only more powerful AoE in the ocean is the business end of a Kraken, and for that you still need two or more Mosasaurs already anyway.

You want to bring down clusters of jellies as quickly and efficiently as possible... and from a safe range... but in the ocean range is always going to be your biggest disadvantage. So you need to command pets, learn whistle commands, and make blood sacrifices to Dagon. Sharks are very cheap, all things considered... and losing a batch of them will only set you back a couple of hours once you've gotten efficient at taming them. To get efficient at taming sharks, you'll need to build a deep sea platform base with ramps sticking out to a surface layer where you can safely stand and fire your crossbow down into the water at them... we used to do this with rafts but the devs are dooshbags, so now it requires a much larger infrastructure investment... which can be made less tedious by using a Dunkleosteus... or a small army of doedicurus on wander in a rocky area that's penned off with a giant wooden fence built on the back of a high level beaver which you'll need either a raft to help you tame (with plant X turrets to fend off all the crap that spawns around sleeping beavers, the river isn''t as dangerous for rafts as the ocean is though so there's at least that much solace) or you'll need to build a stone box with a dinosaur gate on one side 4x4x4 in size, tame an argentavis so you can pick up a wild beaver and drop it into that box, and make sure you've got a thousand spare narcotics and five large crop plots growing mejoberries all on site at that box before you even attempt to go snag your high level beaver in the first place. Also you'll need 4 tiles of buffer zone on all sides to prevent hostile outside forces from ruining your tame in progress, which is most easily accomplished by just turning the whole damn thing into a castle once you have the initial taming pen built. If you insist on doing all of this alone, this taming pen castle can also serve as the landbound end of your deep sea dock structure by just extending ceiling tiles out to their limit across the surface of the ocean and then building pillars down to the sea floor like you're growing a stalactite... until you reach the oceanic shelf (which means your pillar supports are going to be somewhere between fifty and a hundred fifty tiles tall when you reach water deep enough to use for "summoning" schools of sharks) at which point you'll have already tamed enough sharks in self-defense to be able to take the whole school of them with you down to find either a dunkleosteus or a Mosasaur, which is when whistle commands become an absolute necessity.

Having done this and other similar processes on several servers and often without any significant help... I can assure you that this *industrial* approach whereby you generate permanent infrastructure to constantly maintain building back towards whatever point your industry can reach for an apex (don't forget a greenhouse with a dozen narcoberry plots and a T-Rex to mass produce spoiled meat for generating narcotics, every tribe needs one of those regardless of what they're doing) then losing your tames on a regular basis (and everyone does, don't take it to mean you've failed) becomes trivialized to the extent that all you have to do is repeat a fairly simple process of "doing chores" with which you are already excessively familiar by then anyway.

Industry, man... industry. That's what humans have evolved to do that nothing else can overcome. Industry. The process I've laid out for you above would take me six days at fifteen hours a day by myself. I highly recommend asking a friend or two to help you out... but now you've got a plan, a procedure, and a goal... so the learning experience of finding your own efficiency pathway will be about a thousand hours less tedious than it was for some of us. ;)
Last edited by Nemo; May 7, 2017 @ 12:28am
Strange May 7, 2017 @ 12:29am 
Here's what I do and it works for me and it's super simple. Tame a dolphin. Easiest thing ever to tame. Pump speed. Don't worry about fighting ANYTHING in the ocean and you can assess an area and kite away an threats realtively easy. Then grab the crate, hit the loot caves, do whatever.
I think the main problem you are having is actually trying to fight any and everything you come across.
Also, wear goggles and use first person. Another tip for longer exploration is to equip the scuba gear only when your o2 is getting low and take it back off as to not waste the air in the tank. You get roughly an hour and 15 minutes when equipped and can make that last at least 3 times as long before it breaks.
Don't mess with squid. Ever. Unless youre trying to tame one and become sea christ.
One of the things I saw on the wiki was that auto turrets can be placed on plesio platform saddles. Me and my friend are quite industrious on land so might it be worth it to sail around the ocean on our penis whales letting auto turrets chew through anything that gets to close, or is that wishful thinking?
Edit: I decided to just spawn loot in because since wildcard has no intention of making their game even remotely playable, I'll just work around it. Thank you all for your time I appreciated it.
Anthony May 8, 2017 @ 7:24am 
I know it might not seem like a good idea but you can use a turtle, they got good hp and if you pump speed you can get decent swimming speeds.
Anthony May 8, 2017 @ 7:24am 
just try and aviod jellys and eels because they suck and will kill you and your turtle pretty fast the best thing to do is to tame a squid as you will be able to kill everything although i would still stay away from eels and jelly fish
Last edited by Anthony; May 8, 2017 @ 7:25am
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