Can't make any money as Bulgaria

[Maldenman]

2 bankruptcies in I simply cannot make any money. I attack and raid all of my neighbors and take every possible ducat I can get but no matter what I do I cannot balance the budget it's crazy. I've been full minting the entire game I've never struggled so hard with the economy is the new update just broken? 1k hours in this game and I can't figure out how to make a dime anymore it's obnoxious.

[mikemonger]

You do realize full minting is going to cause your inflation to skyrocket, right?

Which in turn makes balancing the budget more difficult.

[Maldenman]

Originally posted by mikemonger:

You do realize full minting is going to cause your inflation to skyrocket, right?

Which in turn makes balancing the budget more difficult.

Was asking for eco advice not a restating of what I said in my post

[tonypa]

It is not about one or two countries, I would say about 90% of countries are struggling at the start. There are still few that are swimming in money, I guess that is why economy has been nerfed so much.

You need to lower the costs too. Diplomacy, stability and legitimacy can all eat up tons of money.

If you conquered some lands, you have 0 control there and earn nothing while you are still paying for all the buildings. You may need to destroy most of the buildings in new lands just to save money.

[Maldenman]

Originally posted by tonypa:

It is not about one or two countries, I would say about 90% of countries are struggling at the start. There are still few that are swimming in money, I guess that is why economy has been nerfed so much.

You need to lower the costs too. Diplomacy, stability and legitimacy can all eat up tons of money.

If you conquered some lands, you have 0 control there and earn nothing while you are still paying for all the buildings. You may need to destroy most of the buildings in new lands just to save money.

Bulgaria has a crisis that requires them to get to 50 stab and 90 legitimacy to solve. The more you expand the harder it become to solve, but if you don't expand quick enough you cannot stop the Ottomans. After a few decades every possible loan was used up and my inflation was maxxed, seems literally impossible to make positive income and the truces are too crazy now to survive off of looting. Even without a standing army or anything it is just impossible to build up an economy.

[Takichi]

Originally posted by Maldenman:

Originally posted by tonypa:

It is not about one or two countries, I would say about 90% of countries are struggling at the start. There are still few that are swimming in money, I guess that is why economy has been nerfed so much.

You need to lower the costs too. Diplomacy, stability and legitimacy can all eat up tons of money.

If you conquered some lands, you have 0 control there and earn nothing while you are still paying for all the buildings. You may need to destroy most of the buildings in new lands just to save money.

Bulgaria has a crisis that requires them to get to 50 stab and 90 legitimacy to solve. The more you expand the harder it become to solve, but if you don't expand quick enough you cannot stop the Ottomans. After a few decades every possible loan was used up and my inflation was maxxed, seems literally impossible to make positive income and the truces are too crazy now to survive off of looting. Even without a standing army or anything it is just impossible to build up an economy.

Not sure if this was "changed" but you can simply resolve that Crisis by Conquering Constantinopel, wait till the Event triggers, resetle your Capital to Constantinople and its done(if i dont mistake the Crisis you speak of for another). Also the Ottomans basicly stop beeing a big Problem, because you are strong enought to go after them once you consilidated your new Capital and Lands and they usually dont conquer the whole of Anatolia "to fast" a lot of their Fast Growth comes from the Fact that ERE is so weak.

However if you want to "resolve" it with the 50 Stab 90 Legitimacy, than you cant full pay both of it right from the Start. Max as good as you can one and pay for the other just enought so it doesnt decline. You also want 2 Cabinet Members on increase Action all the Time. Make use of the Clerics and Peasent Estate Actions, to generateLegitimacy or Stab one at a time until you finished one, than increase the Other. In general i would say at the Start its more feasable to Legitimacy Maxing, because once Max is reached the Cost of it goes way down.
However doing it that Way will take a lot of Time, also conquering much isnt feasable this way, because you lose 2 Cabinets who cant Integrate at the Time aswell. And that i assume is on purpose, to make it different from Serbia, which gets a pretty easy way of Becoming an Empire and Conquering all of the Eastern Roman Empire in the first 10-20 Years of the Game.

[Sten]

I have noticed the econ is a lot worse for most countries since the patch. It's more tedious for sure. One of the reasons I kinda stopped playing. When it becomes so much more complicated its just not fun anymore. I think they overshot in their balancing efforts either that or they are simply balancing around Florryworry and screw the rest of us.

[xcairnsx5]

How is the economy hard? you literally make thousands each month by 1450, then the game becomes boring. The economy needs to remain difficult right up until end game imo.

[tonypa]

Originally posted by xcairnsx5:

How is the economy hard? you literally make thousands each month by 1450, then the game becomes boring. The economy needs to remain difficult right up until end game imo.

Well, no. The game should be easy at start and become more and more complex as you build up economy. Currently it is exact opposite as there is no challenge in lategame when everyone has too much money. While the start (the actual experience for most players) is simply boring because you have no money to do anything.

[Maldenman]

Originally posted by Takichi:

Originally posted by Maldenman:

Bulgaria has a crisis that requires them to get to 50 stab and 90 legitimacy to solve. The more you expand the harder it become to solve, but if you don't expand quick enough you cannot stop the Ottomans. After a few decades every possible loan was used up and my inflation was maxxed, seems literally impossible to make positive income and the truces are too crazy now to survive off of looting. Even without a standing army or anything it is just impossible to build up an economy.

Not sure if this was "changed" but you can simply resolve that Crisis by Conquering Constantinopel, wait till the Event triggers, resetle your Capital to Constantinople and its done(if i dont mistake the Crisis you speak of for another). Also the Ottomans basicly stop beeing a big Problem, because you are strong enought to go after them once you consilidated your new Capital and Lands and they usually dont conquer the whole of Anatolia "to fast" a lot of their Fast Growth comes from the Fact that ERE is so weak.

However if you want to "resolve" it with the 50 Stab 90 Legitimacy, than you cant full pay both of it right from the Start. Max as good as you can one and pay for the other just enought so it doesnt decline. You also want 2 Cabinet Members on increase Action all the Time. Make use of the Clerics and Peasent Estate Actions, to generateLegitimacy or Stab one at a time until you finished one, than increase the Other. In general i would say at the Start its more feasable to Legitimacy Maxing, because once Max is reached the Cost of it goes way down.
However doing it that Way will take a lot of Time, also conquering much isnt feasable this way, because you lose 2 Cabinets who cant Integrate at the Time aswell. And that i assume is on purpose, to make it different from Serbia, which gets a pretty easy way of Becoming an Empire and Conquering all of the Eastern Roman Empire in the first 10-20 Years of the Game.

Yeah was trying to rush the crisis as quickly as possible but its verrry expensive. The crisis is crushing though It's almost as bad as being bankrupt, 60% morale and a big research debuff it really limits your options. If you resolve the crisis without owning Constantinople you get -1 council seat (unrecognized empire) literally forever it's an insane punishment. Taking Constantinople is easy but defeating the Ottomans with that morale debuff is a bit more difficult. I wanted to just feed the Byzantines early and let them slowly collapse but they haaaaate Bulgaria as one of the only empires to rival early game. Taking all of that territory just makes you very very poor, need to disable buildings probably.

On the bright side when you solve the crisis it makes all of your controlled territories 50% Bulgarian which is pretty crazy.

[Maldenman]

Originally posted by xcairnsx5:

How is the economy hard? you literally make thousands each month by 1450, then the game becomes boring. The economy needs to remain difficult right up until end game imo.

Getting to 1450 takes awhile so naturally most playthroughs don't even make it that far

[Maldenman]

Yeah I'm dumb the meta is literally just delete all forts

[Takichi]

Originally posted by Maldenman:

Yeah I'm dumb the meta is literally just delete all forts

I mean yeah if you are over Fort Limit you delet a big Part of it since that ♥♥♥♥ is expensive. But that was something you did since 1.0 Release anyway to make Money o.o