in fall of the samurai who likes modernisation

[Tech_Priest]

Look up

[Fadeway]

everyone

[Tech_Priest]

no some get unhappy cuz your going modern who do you play as that like being modern

[Oleg Mongol]

Punctuation.

[Iceira]

shogun 2 shogunate or imperial ?

well as i see it its shogunate that pro wester

and imperial thats try hold back the advancement, but they allso understod that they could not win without the new technologies...

thats the game storie, but maybe another hard historian can give a better reply

[LSD]

Nobody likes it.

[UncleMax]

I like to modernize just about enough so I can research high tier arts but not too much to the point where people grew frustrated.

[Destin Faroda]

I fully westernize the Choushuu clan in order to crush the reactionary Shogunate factions with modernized troops like the Go-shinpei, Imperial Ulans and my beloved Imperial Skirmishers.
Civil order is maintained by stationing modernized revolver police units in cities.

[Legion]

Modernize all the things.

[Tech_Priest]

ok who fac donst lose happynis for modenising

[Ser Cartoon of House Head]

he who embraces Americans will surely win. Just watch The Last Samurai or 47 Ronin and realise if you have an American on your team you are invincible.

[Blue Knight™]

every clan hates it just the Imperials and some Shogun clans embrace it better

[Tech_Priest]

ok thx

[Turtler]

I love modernizing. I usually try and get it all done. While the Samurai revolts are somewhat annoying, in so many ways they're just another way to grind your troops and their XP.

In terms of what clans embrace it best.....

Satsuma, Nagaoka, Choshu, and Saga probably embrace it the best, with Tsu possibly deserving an honorable mention.

Aizu and Tsu probably do the worst.

[The_Yogi]

Pfft, I sick hearing about The Shogunate hate the Westerners. In Reality, It was the Imperial Supporters who attacked Foreign People, and The Shogunate thought them as troublemakers screwing Japan's business with the Westerners.

Its only later along the line when The Imperials found out they need to Modernize as well to be oust the Shogunate and become the dominant power of Japan.

[Turtler]

Originally posted by The_Yogi:

Pfft, I sick hearing about The Shogunate hate the Westerners. In Reality, It was the Imperial Supporters who attacked Foreign People, and The Shogunate thought them as troublemakers screwing Japan's business with the Westerners.

Its only later along the line when The Imperials found out they need to Modernize as well to be oust the Shogunate and become the dominant power of Japan.

Agreed indeed. In fact, I do believe the intros of the game actually represent that fairly well.

I think the problem is just that in this game, the bonuses don't add up (and for decent reasons). The main Shogunal-leaning clan that strikes me as a Top Tier modernist faction are the Nagaoka (probably my personal favorite along with the Satcho duo fo rthe Imperials).

Compare/contrast that with....say.... the royal Turkeys that are the Aizu., who if anything are probably the Shogun's chief standardbearers at least in a new campaign.