The Last Samurai [Solved]

[JammyMuffin]

This question may seem stupid but I really want to know if there is a playable clan in Shogun 2 Total War Fall Of The Samurai that only use the samurai way(They have no guns) I have not checked all of the playables clans on it yet so do not hate me if there is, I just want to know if they need to be unlocked or something like that.

[Iceira]

you most understand that hollywood part is not here in same way....

but its empire that has lesser tech they try to stick to the old ways, but have no choise to upgrade or they will be overrun by the shugunate that want all tech and abandon the old ways,

so there is no clan with no guns, as hollywood point of gloryfying view, but i do understand you maybe there is a modder that can change this so battle map is way better to charge and bring the movie to the game in a little bit better battle map, but not sure how you will solve the castle attack , that is sucide mission

[JammyMuffin]

Thank you for the advice and information.

[SaltyPeanuts]

You asked: if

Originally posted by MrJames5:

there is a playable clan in Shogun 2 Total War Fall Of The Samurai that only use the samurai way(They have no guns)

No, since no faction is forced to only choose traditionlist troops and build traditionalist builidngs. But you can still play in a such a way with your in-game choices.

You could try playing the Aizu, who have bonuses to traditional troops, and then only build 'traditionlist' buildings (such as inns and dojo's); avoiding or destroying modern buildings ('barracks'). And then only train 'traditionalist' units at your dojos (spearmen, katana kachi, matchlock katchi, archers, yari, yari cavalry, bow cavalry, and ninja).

Your tech level may increase at some point, and that may eventually be out of your control as even taking high level castles increases tech level. But you can destroy modern buildings and build lots of inns, and it should never increase. You may not want it to increase since at tech level 3 your generals will be auto-equipped with revolvers.

Using strategy and exploiting the weakness of gun units in melee, you should be able to win battles against modern armies, even using only traditionalist units. Whether or not you can use Cannon is arguable, since even the 'samurai' of the base game have access to cannon at some point (as part of the gunpowder tech research option).

I've fielded many armies of traditionlist units with cannon, and won very easy victories.

[JammyMuffin]

Oh ok, thank you so much, this has been very helpful.

[Iceira]

here is the problem he cant win the game with no tech level .... he do need a modder that change this

[Edgerunner]

Contrary to Hollyweird, the real "last samurai" ( those under the command of Saigo Takamori during the Satsuma Rebellion ) did in fact use firearms and other modern technologies of the time in their battles against the Imperial armies. It was not until the very last battle that the remaining rebel samurai and retainers resorted to using swords, spears, bows and naginata to fight hand-to-hand with the modernized Imperial army. If you want to read more information about the historical background of the film "The Last Samurai" and get the real story about what happened, I would suggest reading "The Last Samurai" by author Mark Ravina. It is about the Boshin War, the Satsuma Rebellion and provides a biography of Saigo Takamori.

[Iceira]

hehe dont tear down our movie heros.... the 7 samurai and other old karate movie's ...rofl :D

[SaltyPeanuts]

Originally posted by Iceira:

here is the problem he cant win the game with no tech level .... he do need a modder that change this

He can still have a high tech level and field traditionalist units. I pointed out that his 'no guns' requirement would be ineffective at tech level 3 since generals are auto-equipped with revolvers. But perhaps he doesn't care.

[The_Yogi]

Originally posted by salty peanuts:

He can still have a high tech level and field traditionalist units. I pointed out that his 'no guns' requirement would be ineffective at tech level 3 since generals are auto-equipped with revolvers. But perhaps he doesn't care.

However, Modernization also lowers traditionalist unit stats.

This is also impossible in Naval Battles: Even the most basic ship is a Steam Gunboat.

Also, Matchlock Kachi and Shinsengumi Police with rifles are still classified as Traditional

[JammyMuffin]

Originally posted by salty peanuts:

Originally posted by Iceira:

here is the problem he cant win the game with no tech level .... he do need a modder that change this

He can still have a high tech level and field traditionalist units. I pointed out that his 'no guns' requirement would be ineffective at tech level 3 since generals are auto-equipped with revolvers. But perhaps he doesn't care.

Nah man, all I want to do is run in to battle with samurai swords, the general revolver thing is a problem but it's fine, I can deal with that.

[JammyMuffin]

Thank you for all of the suggestions and help guys, I appreciate it all.

[SaltyPeanuts]

Originally posted by The_Yogi:

However, Modernization also lowers traditionalist unit stats.

I'm not for all Traditionalist or all-Imperial either.

But- it should be 100% possible to stay at the lowest Modernization level by building only Traditional buildings and keeping castles small.

I'll point out that Aizu get a bonus to Traditional units regardless and I couldn't see myself playing them unless I wanted to go all-Traditionalist. It would give some reason to get Stand and Fight for a general, which is a Traditional general only skill. At level 3 Modernization, I think the general converts and can't Stand and Fight anymore... unleast that is implied.

[Skycrawler501]

Originally posted by salty peanuts:

But- it should be 100% possible to stay at the lowest Modernization level by building only Traditional buildings and keeping castles small.

It's actually quite impossible to do so. You can try all of your might to prevent modernization, though with the way the base game is set, progress will always win.

Here are the factors why:

1. Technology: Once you start putting turns into technology, you can never stop. So, even if you avoid every single technology at Clan Development Level 1, you are still going to eventually research Consular Court & Arms Deals = a total of +2 modernization. At level 2 & 3 you can try to avoid +5 modernization points each.

2. Buildings:

Negative Modernization
Shrine in a province (-2 at lvl 3)
Traditional dojo (-2 at lvl 3)
Inn going down the gambling den (-1 at lvl 3)

Positive Modernization
Everything else, though the big ones to be wary of would be:
-Town level. Each time it is upgraded you get more taxes, another building slot, unrest, and +1 modernization per lvl. For your own provinces, you don't have to upgrade, but the AI has no consideration. So for each province you take, you risk obtaining more modernization.
-Farms. Level 3 farms and higher give modernization.

*Castles do not add modernization. Only once the castle is fully upgraded into a star fort do you get modernization from it.

Originally posted by salty peanuts:

I'll point out that Aizu get a bonus to Traditional units regardless and I couldn't see myself playing them unless I wanted to go all-Traditionalist. It would give some reason to get Stand and Fight for a general, which is a Traditional general only skill. At level 3 Modernization, I think the general converts and can't Stand and Fight anymore... unleast that is implied.

Yes, this is true. Stand and fight is lost to any and all generals at lvl 3 modernizaion. Also, be careful about upgrading the Indomitable Warrior skill because you will lose the +25% bodyguard bonus once Modernization shifts from 2 to 3.


Even though I don't like Darth mod very much, the major thing that I think they got right on the dot would be the technology tree changes. There should be technology that has negiative modernization.

[SaltyPeanuts]

Originally posted by Skycrawler501:

Positive Modernization

Lets assume we don't skirt the upper limits of modernization because we intentionally do everything in our power to avoid that. Hence, we are doing a 'traditional play-through'.

If a province seems acceptable for modernization, then we can keep it and build only traditional buildings, while dismantling all the modern buildings. That counters any effect of settlement size.

Otherwise, if a settlement seems too 'risky' to accrue modernization then the workaround is... make a Vassal. Alternatively, loot the province, dismantle everything, and abandon it to rebels.

If the player can manage to do this and acquire the minimum number of provinces necessary for a 'short campaign' then they will 'win the game' at modernization level 1.