How to play Hattori campaign?

[Monster]

I want tips. So far I finished as Chosokabe > Shimaze > Date short, easy campaigns. Now I'm trying play as Hattori. I never used that Kisho ninja before. I use lot of ninjas for kill generals, open gates.

1. As Hattori what is your main spammable good melee units? Just spam Yari ashigaru or any good other melee hero?
   
2. What is your main good unit? Like Date No-Dachi, Shimazu Katana, Chosokabe bow samurai etc, is it Kisho ninja?
   
3. How to use those battle ninjas? I tried that on Advanced tutorial. But enemy was always firing at them before they reach wall. Arent they supposed to walk stealth?
   
4. Is it good idea invade into right side of map? I mean into Date.
   
5. When I enter battle, there is checkbox named Night battle. What is it for? As Hattori I always should attempt night attack? It gives my ninjas advantage?

[Destin Faroda]

5. Night attacks give you an advantage over enemies that don't have this ability (yet). Use it whenever you can. I presume it lowers the enemy's morale.

[GhostyGG]

I would suggest watching "Volound" who is doing a recent let's play on legendary, for Hattori, on youtube. He's very well informed about the game and explains quite a lot about the beginning stages.

That is really the only good advice I can give you ^^;

Also, kisho ninja should be used almost like cavalry, as a part of your hammer and anvil. Charge into the enemy, and then have the kisho ninja come from behind. Did you know their 'stealth' ability also gives them more attack and a higher charge? Crazy lol

Night battles lower morale, and make it easier for units to rout. That's why having ninjas is a good tactic because they are incredibly good shock troops.

[Monster]

I still don't get it. When I try my Kisho ninja move around enemy army, their archery always see me and shooting. Arent they invisible units?

[StrangeLittleMan]

Hattori clan has the ablity called "kisho training" for most units, not only kisho ninjas. Kisho training means you can deploy units outside the yellow square when setting up your army. Use this to your advantage by setting up ambushes near the enemy deployment zone.

1. I mainly use yari samurai, because you can give them a runspeed/charge boost, wich works well with kisho training. You can just surround the enemy during deployment and instantly charge them from all sides when the battle begins

2. Any units except monks. Monks are great units, but they don't get "kisho training", and when you play Hattori, you play it because of kisho training imho.

3. Kisho ninja's have an ablity to become very stealthy, when activated they can even run and stay hidden. Stealth does not mean invisible, if you get too close, they will get spotted.
Without using the ability you get spotted faster when moving.

A good way to use kisho ninjas (especially when the AI is camping a hill or forrest) is to deploy them behind the enemy army and let them wait while hidden. Then move your army close to the enemy (just outside archer range).
When you are ready to attack, have your kisho ninja run towards the enemy. (I ussually charge at their general)
Use the stealth ability to get close, so he cant charge YOU instead or flee)
The AI will respond because they see the ninjas running behind them, and they will break their formation in order to defend the rear.

Once the enemy breaks its own formation, charge your army towards the chaos you just created.

4. Sure, why wouldn't it be?

5. Night battles are some sort of surprise attack, when playing night battles, neither you nor the enemy can get reinforcements.

[Destin Faroda]

Ninjas can stalk and snipe which means they can move and attack unseen.
However, enemies can spot you if you enter their detection range:
- Grass: 100-150 m
- Shrubs: 75 m
- Forest: 50 m
Try to avoid ranged cavalry and ranged infantry as they have the highest spotting ranges.

[Monster]

Damn I didn't know you can place your units outside of that deployment zone. I was placing my Kisho with my other units.

[StrangeLittleMan]

Originally posted by What happened? Axe happened!:

Damn I didn't know you can place your units outside of that deployment zone. I was placing my Kisho with my other units.

When you group up your army and try to click outside of the deployment zone, you might notice that you cant move them there. This is because your general can not deploy outside the yellow zone. Deselect your general and you will see that now you can deploy outside the zone.
This goes aswell for naginata- and bow monks and any other unit that has no kisho training. Just look at your unit cards to see if a unit has kisho training or not.

[Pumis]

In my opinion having the night battle on every generals is their biggest strenght. It allows you to take their multiple stacked armies one by one instead of taking them all together. This is especially usefull when trying to siege or breaking a siege while enemy has a lot of stacks backing up.

The kisho ability is double edged sword. It can be good in certain maps but sometimes it really offers nothing. The thing which makes it double edge is that it makes every troop of yours who has it a large upkeep. Which means you will be tight on money.

[GhostyGG]

Originally posted by What happened? Axe happened!:

I still don't get it. When I try my Kisho ninja move around enemy army, their archery always see me and shooting. Arent they invisible units?

You have to think carefully about positioning your kisho ninjas. The A.I. will always try to take hills and and if they're attacking they'll come to you. That combined with the ability to place outside the regular deployment zone, you can place your ninja in key areas that will give you an upper hand in fights.

Also, never put them outside forests... ever, and don't make them run unless you're using the stealth ability.

[GhostyGG]

Originally posted by Destin Faroda:

Ninjas can stalk and snipe which means they can move and attack unseen.
However, enemies can spot you if you enter their detection range:
- Grass: 100-150 m
- Shrubs: 75 m
- Forest: 50 m
Try to avoid ranged cavalry and ranged infantry as they have the highest spotting ranges.

Don't light cav also have high spotting ranges too?

[Destin Faroda]

Originally posted by Wallet Jr.:

Don't light cav also have high spotting ranges too?

Yes.