so which clan actully took over japan?

[AlienWarfighter]

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[ANKH]

My favorite clan for rise of the samaurai is the kiso minamoto

[little_ovvl]

For those interested in history I recommend reading Eiji Yoshikawa's books. As i remember there are english translations of 'Taiko ki' (about sengoku jidai) and 'Heike Monodataki' (about Genpei War).

[RosarioLuigi]

* Eiji Yoshikawa is primarily a historical fiction writer. His works can teach about the period but they should in no way be your prime source for the actual history.

[ReignOfaNewKing]

yep

Nguyên văn bởi Oh no, the Tsun:

So here is what happened. Oda Nobunaga, with Tokugawa Ieyasu and Toyotomi Hideyoshi, started the unification of Japan. Oda did 80% of the work, but was killed during a betrayal while he was prepping his campaign into Mori lands. After his death, Toyotomi Hideyoshi took over where Oda left off. Hideyoshi also invaded China and Korea and ultimately failed and passed away due to age in 1598. After his death Tokugawa took control and wrapped up the entire "age of war" at the Battle of Sekigahara in 1600.

There is a Japanese adage to these "Big Three" as they're called.

Oda built the foundation
Toyotomi built the house
Tokugawa lived in the house

Basically saying that Oda did most of the work, Toyotomi did the finishing touches, and then Tokugawa merely lived off the spoils of the other two's work. Tokugawa is normally looked upon unfavorably when capared to the other two since he really didn't do much.

[アレックス]

Oh dear...

First of all Oda Nobunaga, Toyotomi Hideyoshi nor Akechi Mitsuhide ever held the title of "Shogun". There are several theories why Nobunaga never claimed himself to be Shogun, but one is because he didn't think much of it and aimed for something beyond, a god-like rank perhaps.

Hideyoshi wanted to become Shogun, but couldn't because he wasn't of noble birth. He let himself to be adopted into a noble family, became realm-regent (Kanpaku not Shogun) and later he created the title Unificatior of Japan (Taiko). Akechi Mitsuhide was a mere Daimyo and even after the death of Nobunaga he didn’t become Shogun. Fyi the Emporer/Tenno has to grant you that title.

After the death of Nobunaga, his first son’s son became the successor to the Oda clan, whereas later on the vassals agreed to ignore that. After the quarrel between the main Oda vassal Katsuie Shibata and Hideyoshi, which Hideyoshi left victorious, he finished the unification of Japan and tried to manifest his power.

After his death, Hideyoshi’s rather unpopular vassal Ishida Mitsunari quarreled with the Tokugawa, who have become too powerful and this ended in the battle of Sekigahara, where both sides claimed to protect the heir of the Toyotomi clan Hideyori. Tokugawa Ieyasu won the battle and punished the ones that were against him.

A while later he claimed himself Shogun, whereas Toyotomi Hideyori still was realm-regent. When the Tokugawa were powerful enough and every clan but the Sanada were on their side, they attacked the Toyotomi in Osaka, known as the Osaka Winter campaign and after a draw, mainly due to ronin and Sanada Nobushige (Yukimura), the Toyotomi have been wiped out half year later at the Osaka Summer Campaign in 1615.

A few other things, Nobunaga was at Honnoji when Mitsuhide attacked him. The complex burned down with him and they never found a trace of his corps there. If he committed Seppuku or burned to death or died of the smoke is thus unknown.

It is not like Hideyoshi offered Ieyasu the provinces in the East, he just informed him that he had to move, as it was common.

The relations between Nobunaga, Hideyoshi and Ieyasu were not quite as proclaimed here, but that would take me like forever to explain xD.

This is merely a small summary of what happened. If you want to know more, I would recommend you to watch so called NHK Taiga Dramas.

[RosarioLuigi]

Nguyên văn bởi NobunagaIV:

A few other things, Nobunaga was at Honnoji when Mitsuhide attacked him. The complex burned down with him and they never found a trace of his corps there. If he committed Seppuku or burned to death or died of the smoke is thus unknown.

Most stories of Honno-ji are apocryphal and highly romanticized such as the one with Mori Ranmaru tending Oda Nobunaga as he committed seppuku and then followed his master. You are certainly correct in the unknown nature of Nobunaga's demise but this romanticized version certainly does sound quite reasonable, no? :)

Great post though.

[アレックス]

Nguyên văn bởi rosarioluigi:

Nguyên văn bởi NobunagaIV:

A few other things, Nobunaga was at Honnoji when Mitsuhide attacked him. The complex burned down with him and they never found a trace of his corps there. If he committed Seppuku or burned to death or died of the smoke is thus unknown.

Most stories of Honno-ji are apocryphal and highly romanticized such as the one with Mori Ranmaru tending Oda Nobunaga as he committed seppuku and then followed his master. You are certainly correct in the unknown nature of Nobunaga's demise but this romanticized version certainly does sound quite reasonable, no? :)

Of course :)

[dylanhack]

However, no clans won the Boshin war, ultimately. It was the Imperial forces, the Satsuma, Chosu, and Tosa. They won it for the Emperor. The true winner is the Emperor.

[RosarioLuigi]

Nguyên văn bởi dylanhack:

However, no clans won the Boshin war, ultimately. It was the Imperial forces, the Satsuma, Chosu, and Tosa. They won it for the Emperor. The true winner is the Emperor.

No! Go Ezo Republic! Ezo! Ezo! Ezo! The patriotic fire burns on!