FOTS is a better Shogun 2?

[Pinglesshunting]

I already play FOTS for 300 hrs.
And I already have Shogun 2 , But didnt yet play it.

Should I play Shogun 2? Or keep playing FOTS.

[BastardSword]

Shogun 2 is way better than FOTS. FOTS is a good game but is unpolished and unbalanced in a lot of ways. Shogun 2 meanwhile is much more polished and balanced.

[Telvido_cat]

Personally I find FotS to be more polished in almost every way.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Shogun 2 and fots have different focuses on combat. When I feel like engaging in primarily melee, I play shogun 2. When I want to use primarily gunpowder, I play fots. They are both good. Fots's realm divide is a bit better, though

[Red Spot]

Better? S2
Moar fun? FotS

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Originally posted by Red Spot:

Better? S2
Moar fun? FotS

well fun is subjective, so that gives the medal to vanilla, then

[Björn]

have 3000+ on shogun 2 vanilla. mostly online multi-player

only have about 500 hours on FOTS. Find it boring to watch guns just shoot at each other, position and fire... boring as hell for me.

[BastardSword]

Originally posted by Telvido_cat:

Personally I find FotS to be more polished in almost every way.

Visually it's a lot more polished. Personally I think the tech tree and economy are better and more interesting than those of Shogun 2.

However there are a lot of things in FOTS that are just a mess. On land the AI is completely brain-dead and will endlessly spam worthless samurai armies. Once you get kneel fire you can kill any army. Artillery is just overkill and the AI has no idea how to counter it.

On sea the AI is somehow able to endlessly spam ships, so they destroy all coastal buildings at a completely absurd rate. They really really messed up the naval aspect of FOTS and things like coastal fortifications and bombardments.

[Red Spot]

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

Originally posted by Red Spot:

Better? S2
Moar fun? FotS

well fun is subjective, so that gives the medal to vanilla, then

Better is just as well subjective. So now the medal goes to FotS.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Originally posted by Red Spot:

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

well fun is subjective, so that gives the medal to vanilla, then

Better is just as well subjective. So now the medal goes to FotS.

Quality can be objectively judged, thus the claim of which is better can be an objective statement. A matter of preference, although can be supported by quality, is not indicative of quality, though.

[Telvido_cat]

Originally posted by BastardSword:

Originally posted by Telvido_cat:

Personally I find FotS to be more polished in almost every way.

Visually it's a lot more polished. Personally I think the tech tree and economy are better and more interesting than those of Shogun 2.

However there are a lot of things in FOTS that are just a mess. On land the AI is completely brain-dead and will endlessly spam worthless samurai armies. Once you get kneel fire you can kill any army. Artillery is just overkill and the AI has no idea how to counter it.

On sea the AI is somehow able to endlessly spam ships, so they destroy all coastal buildings at a completely absurd rate. They really really messed up the naval aspect of FOTS and things like coastal fortifications and bombardments.

I agree with u on the first points. Personally I like FoTS naval battles. In my experience on legendary the AI makes decent land stacks with SIR late game and parrot / Armstrong guns. Problem is it panics once to the main stacks have been dealt with and then pumps out garbage. AI in FoTS is cheesy as hell though overall and chewing through all those late game stacks is boring.

[Red Bat]

Originally posted by BastardSword:

Shogun 2 is way better than FOTS. FOTS is a good game but is unpolished and unbalanced in a lot of ways. Shogun 2 meanwhile is much more polished and balanced.

Very backwards. There's very little reason to build anything other than Ashigaru outside of edgecase scenarios in Shogun 2, and non-unique gun units aside from cannons are almost never worth using since bows are at their strongest in the entire series in this game. Matchlock samurai are good, but are so far in the research tree that you'll never have a good reason to get them. Many other researches aren't worth the research cost either, including about half of the military research tree. Converting to Christianity is almost never worth it outside of maybe if you do it at the earliest point as Shimazu and spam missionaries revolts for the rest of the game.

Traditional units outside of the very early game are pretty bad in FOTS, but that's clearly intended as you are supposed to replace units with more and more modern replacements. As a representation of the Hollywood understanding of the time period, FOTS knocks it out of the park. The nice touch of being able to betray both sides and declare yourself independent allows for one of the neatest late game challenges of any TW game. FOTS does have a lot of problems, but most of those problems are carried over from Shogun 2.

At least I think most of us will agree Rise of the Samurai wasn't very good. Very few units, repetitive gameplay, and a huge focus on agent actions at the expense of all else. On top of it all, the game's finicky diplomacy is at full display, with it not being uncommon that your sister clan declares war on you within the first 10 turns for no apparent reason.

[Telvido_cat]

Originally posted by colonized:

I already play FOTS for 300 hrs.
And I already have Shogun 2 , But didnt yet play it.

Should I play Shogun 2? Or keep playing FOTS.

My favourite campaign memories have been with FotS but my worst most annoying rage quitty memories are also FotS. I recommend you play both they're both great and sufficiently different.

[Pinglesshunting]

When you cheer for shogun 2, is DLC necessary?
In fots, I use radious mod, and there are hundreds of units for free

[Pinglesshunting]

Originally posted by Björn:

have 3000+ on shogun 2 vanilla. mostly online multi-player

only have about 500 hours on FOTS. Find it boring to watch guns just shoot at each other, position and fire... boring as hell for me.

radious mod make guns much more prolong and meaningful.

[easytarget]

I wouldn't consider the DLC necessary. I mean everyone shows up to the party w/o you buying them, you just can't play as them.

Maybe the problem you need to tackle is looking to strangers in a steam forum to convince you to play a game rather than simply going ahead and playing it and forming your own opinion about it.

Oh, and mods are the most overrated thing in the TW gaming sphere. People act like they are doing magical stuff to the game, they are most certainly not.

If you want to see what real impact from mods looks like, go play rimworld.