Converting to Christianity Question Shogun 2

[Flash Gordon]

If you refuse to convert to Christianity when your first prompted, does that mean you can never convert later? Is it just a one time offer?

[YoshimochiSCHR]

I think you can convert later in the Family tree window, there is a convert button in upper left part of that screen...?

[markeason]

You should always accept the initial trade with the nanban. That is a one-off offer IIRC.

After the Christianity has come to your shores event, (or whatever it is called) you have the ability to convert to Christianity. You don't have to do it there and then. There is a button on your clan family page that allows you to convert religion at any time of your choosing.

[Explore]

Originally posted by markeason:

You should always accept the initial trade with the nanban. That is a one-off offer IIRC.

No, they keep offering you the deal at intervals, all the way through to the end. It's better to accept, even if you don't want it, because you don't have to build it and you'll stop getting the offer.

What do people think of Christianity? I always avoid it, but I've thought I might be too dismissive of the benefits like Matchlocks.

[markeason]

Originally posted by Explore:

Originally posted by markeason:

You should always accept the initial trade with the nanban. That is a one-off offer IIRC.

No, they keep offering you the deal at intervals, all the way through to the end. It's better to accept, even if you don't want it, because you don't have to build it and you'll stop getting the offer.

What do people think of Christianity? I always avoid it, but I've thought I might be too dismissive of the benefits like Matchlocks.

Ah ok. I wasn't sure because I always accept the trade the first time it's offered.

Are the repeat offers tied in with the periodic re-emergence of the black ship?

Going Christian is like playing Otomo - light.

You don't get all the units and benefits that the Otomo get but, if you don't have the Otomo DLC it is worth converting one time as either the Shimazu, Chosokabe or Mori clan. Having the missionaries is incredibly powerful as the rest of the clans are all Buddhist, so there are endless opportunities for inciting rebellions.

[Explore]

Originally posted by markeason:

Ah ok. I wasn't sure because I always accept the trade the first time it's offered.

Are the repeat offers tied in with the periodic re-emergence of the black ship?

I didn't even know that the black ship could reappear, but I'm guessing that only happens if it's sunk?

I'm not sure if the trade deal offer is tied into anything, it could just be random. As I've just been considering Christianity to be a nuisance up until now, I went through 2 campaigns (domination and long), refusing the deal every time. It probably came about every 10-20 turns, but it felt more than that.

Thanks for the advice. I think the version I got must have that DLC because I see Otomo as an option, so I'll remember that for when I play them.

BTW I'm not actually new to Shogun 2, I used to play it a lot, but I've forgotten most of it, and I wasn't a varied player. For any total war game, I'd just pick what felt to me was the best faction and play them all the time, but I think by doing that I missed out on a lot of the fun to be had in the games. Making up for it now though :)

[markeason]

Glad you are enjoying your return to the game.

The clans, whilst similar, each has sufficient clan trait / unique special unit that enables different strategies to be employed for each of them - that still keeps me coming back for more.

[BastardSword]

I always accept the initial nanban trade offer because you get a free matchlock ashigaru unit fairly early in the game, and there's no downside to accepting it. Sometimes I will build a nanban trade port but then you have to keep a monk and maybe a temple there to block it from converting the population there to christianity.

I pretty much never convert to christianity though because it is just too overpowered, you can use missionaries to turn the entire map into gray rebel wasteland with zero effort.

[YaFilthy]

Originally posted by BastardSword:

I pretty much never convert to christianity though because it is just too overpowered, you can use missionaries to turn the entire map into gray rebel wasteland with zero effort.

its a good tactic to stop vassel from re-appearing really depends on how you want your play through to go..

[Explore]

Originally posted by BastardSword:

I always accept the initial nanban trade offer because you get a free matchlock ashigaru unit fairly early in the game, and there's no downside to accepting it. Sometimes I will build a nanban trade port but then you have to keep a monk and maybe a temple there to block it from converting the population there to christianity.

I pretty much never convert to christianity though because it is just too overpowered, you can use missionaries to turn the entire map into gray rebel wasteland with zero effort.

I was thinking in my next game I will allow a settlement to convert - that way it will be easier to have rebellions if I want to train up some generals.

[markeason]

It's not a one province option, it's all or nothing. The clan converts and then you have to convert all your provinces, other wise they will start rebelling. It can take a while and should be done early in the game when you have few provinces.

[Explore]

Originally posted by markeason:

It's not a one province option, it's all or nothing. The clan converts and then you have to convert all your provinces, other wise they will start rebelling. It can take a while and should be done early in the game when you have few provinces.

Sorry, I meant (in context) by building a Nanban trade port, and allowing it to convert the settlement.

[markeason]

Originally posted by Explore:

Originally posted by markeason:

It's not a one province option, it's all or nothing. The clan converts and then you have to convert all your provinces, other wise they will start rebelling. It can take a while and should be done early in the game when you have few provinces.

Sorry, I meant (in context) by building a Nanban trade port, and allowing it to convert the settlement.

If it converts the province, and you have not converted the clan, you will have constant rebellions in the province.

When building the nanban trade port, you either need to convert the whole clan or, take steps to prevent the conversion in that province by building Buddhist religious building in the province and neighbouring provinces (so that they spread Buddhism into the province with the port).

There are other ways to counter the Christianity in the province (stationing a monk in there), leaving about 10 units in there to repress the population, etc. But they all have an unacceptable cost - whether financial or opportunity.

[Eddie G]

Pre-Otomo I would convert as the Shimazu or the Mori, but I love warrior monks, so I always decline, and it does repeatedly offer the trade. I won't even accept as the Mori, till I got a teir 3 monk buidling, because the conversion rate is 2.5 to christianity for a nanban trade port. It's not worth the headache later on with public order, if you do not convert to christianity. I personally abhor the way the Jesuits and the catholic church in general converted people at sword point, which is not true christian! I would rather be the Ikko Ikki than Christian in this gameo.O

[Explore]

Originally posted by markeason:

Originally posted by Explore:

Sorry, I meant (in context) by building a Nanban trade port, and allowing it to convert the settlement.

If it converts the province, and you have not converted the clan, you will have constant rebellions in the province.

When building the nanban trade port, you either need to convert the whole clan or, take steps to prevent the conversion in that province by building Buddhist religious building in the province and neighbouring provinces (so that they spread Buddhism into the province with the port).

There are other ways to counter the Christianity in the province (stationing a monk in there), leaving about 10 units in there to repress the population, etc. But they all have an unacceptable cost - whether financial or opportunity.

I'm actually trying it now and I'm managing fine. I'm at the stage in the game where I can afford to station 15 ashigaru there. It ended up being very helpful for the rebellions, as I could trigger one every other turn if needed for training. Also got a castle in the neighbouring province so I am ready to fight again every other turn.

[Explore]

Originally posted by Eddie G:

Pre-Otomo I would convert as the Shimazu or the Mori, but I love warrior monks, so I always decline, and it does repeatedly offer the trade.

You can accept the trade offer, but not build a port. It won't give you anything, but it will stop the constant offers.