Vassals and going republic

[Rafard23]

Do Vassals stay with you if you go republic or will they betray you?

[easytarget]

Surprised someone who has done the republic route hasn't responded. Having not done it myself I can't say for sure, but my guess would no one stays with you on this path.

[BastardSword]

As far as I know AI clans can only be aligned with the shogunate or imperial faction. I did a bit of googling and it seems that when you go Republic, everyone on the map declares war on you, including vassals. I've only gone Republic once and won't do it again, it's just too tedious being at war with everyone.

[BlackKatana]

Originally posted by BastardSword:

As far as I know AI clans can only be aligned with the shogunate or imperial faction. I did a bit of googling and it seems that when you go Republic, everyone on the map declares war on you, including vassals. I've only gone Republic once and won't do it again, it's just too tedious being at war with everyone.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2950678271
False information.

[easytarget]

A screenshot taken shortly before they all declared.

[BlackKatana]

Originally posted by easytarget:

A screenshot taken shortly before they all declared.

No. Realm divide is -155 that means it has been eleven turn after the madness.

[easytarget]

This then must be the magical republic they dreamed of, where all the clans merely stay hostile towards you forever and never declare on you.

[BlackKatana]

Originally posted by easytarget:

This then must be the magical republic they dreamed of, where all the clans merely stay hostile towards you forever and never declare on you.

No :). Only one clan didn't declare war on me immediately, and that is probably because he was too weak and not an encountered clan. He too declared war on me two turns after I encounter it. Still, point is that Rafards vassals may not declare war on him immediately if his relations are good enough.

[easytarget]

So, someone reading this thread who knows, do the vassals not suffer the same slow drip drip diplomatic erosion in FOTS that they do in S2?

I'm the biggest fan of using vassals post RD that has ever existed in this steam forum, I'll bang on about their advantages till everyone here rolls their eyes back in their head so far they can no longer read.

That said, I'm not oblivious to the fact they will always turn on you given the sufficient passage of time. Which is why in my advocacy for their use I always also suggest you very much get on about your business of hitting the victory conditions because you are on the clock.

[Rafard23]

Originally posted by BlackKatana:

Originally posted by easytarget:

This then must be the magical republic they dreamed of, where all the clans merely stay hostile towards you forever and never declare on you.

No :). Only one clan didn't declare war on me immediately, and that is probably because he was too weak and not an encountered clan. He too declared war on me two turns after I encounter it. Still, point is that Rafards vassals may not declare war on him immediately if his relations are good enough.

Apparently not, betrayed me at their earliest convenience.

[BlackKatana]

Originally posted by Rafard23:

Originally posted by BlackKatana:

No :). Only one clan didn't declare war on me immediately, and that is probably because he was too weak and not an encountered clan. He too declared war on me two turns after I encounter it. Still, point is that Rafards vassals may not declare war on him immediately if his relations are good enough.

Apparently not, betrayed me at their earliest convenience.

Well, I didn't guarantee anything. That's one of the reasons why I don't make allies and vassals they are unreliable.

[BastardSword]

Originally posted by easytarget:

So, someone reading this thread who knows, do the vassals not suffer the same slow drip drip diplomatic erosion in FOTS that they do in S2?

I'm the biggest fan of using vassals post RD that has ever existed in this steam forum, I'll bang on about their advantages till everyone here rolls their eyes back in their head so far they can no longer read.

That said, I'm not oblivious to the fact they will always turn on you given the sufficient passage of time. Which is why in my advocacy for their use I always also suggest you very much get on about your business of hitting the victory conditions because you are on the clock.

In FOTS, any vassals you make before RD will switch to your faction (unless they're already part of your faction) and they will stay in that faction and stay loyal to you after RD, with no diplomatic malus that I know of. I think there might be a slight malus from RD, along with the usual "expanding territory" one, but it's vastly outweighed by them being on your faction. Basically when you trigger RD everyone in the two factions is locked in. Nobody will switch after RD, and every one on one faction will go to war with the other and vice versa (though the island clans near Kyushu might stay out of it just because they have no contact with the outside world.)

Making vassals after RD however is a completely different kettle of eels. When you take a province and get the option of resurrecting a clan as your vassal, it will arise from the dead with its original faction alignment. If it is not in your faction, it will turn against you the next turn.

However this topic is about going republic, I am pretty sure that you basically can't have vassals because they'll just turn on you due to being incapable of joining a republic faction (which is basically just you) but I could be wrong.

[BastardSword]

Originally posted by BlackKatana:

Originally posted by BastardSword:

As far as I know AI clans can only be aligned with the shogunate or imperial faction. I did a bit of googling and it seems that when you go Republic, everyone on the map declares war on you, including vassals. I've only gone Republic once and won't do it again, it's just too tedious being at war with everyone.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2950678271
False information.

The island clans around Kyushu can be a bit funny, I think they will just stay in the map fog most of the time. Often I find that they completely ignore me until I move a ship near them, then they declare war on me.

[LUVS2SPWGE]

returning after 2 years since no one really definately answered the question; yes, after a few turns being republic they will turn on you, just saw it.

[easytarget]

Since you resurrect the thread I'll chime in once again as well. I don't track on why making vassals is even an option when you go Republic.

[BastardSword]

After realm divide the only way to make vassals is if you take a province and choose the option to create a vassal for a clan that is already dead. The clan will resurrect as part of the faction that they originally were at the start of the game. If you are imperial and they were originally shogunate, they will declare war on you the next turn.

Because when you're a republic no other clan can be republic, making a vassal would be pointless because they will always be part of a hostile faction no matter what and declare war on you the next turn.