This game is not historically accurate.

[asd]

I mean, everyone used katanas during the time period this game takes place. The katana is such an amazing sword, truly a masterpiece made by the finest blacksmiths and made from the finest iron in Japan. There is a reason why the katana lasted for 900 years, and why folding steel was cutting edge (no pun intended) technology back in its day. I mean, even the vikings used that method, who were still around in the 16-17th century.
Every single katana was worked on for weeks, and even months by the finest blacksmiths that have ever lived on Earth. That's why there were so many of them, and that's why it was used as a last resort weapon by the soldiers, because it was so rare that only the elite samurai could wield them. It was truly a honor to have such a fine sword in your possession, and only the samurai deserved to have that kind of honor. Oh, and let's talk about samurai then, shall we? I do not like how common they are in this game. They were the elite of Japan, the true heroes who could slaughter 100 men on their own with their katana (which, by the way cuts through plate armor like it's nothing... the katana was designed for cutting, so it's not really a problem for it). Yet the game does not represent that very well. Samurai die just as easily as the common peasants. How does that make sense? Clearly they are above humans, I mean, samurai weren't just noblemen, they were almost gods, more like half god half human.
Ah, Japan, such a great country that's clearly above every other country in existence. I mean, the Japanese culture is just amazing, it's nothing like anything else on Earth. I mean, it can't be just our warped perception of the past, obviously 17th century Japan was so much better than any other place and time period on Earth, it was almost like Heaven on Earth. I wish I was born back then, and not now. I was born in the wrong generation,

Also, why don't the samurai have their katanas on their backs? Because that's where you should hold them on the battlefield. Not only it looks cool, but it's a lot easier to draw the sword from your back than from your side. It also gives you the element of suprise, because as you draw it from your back, you can land a cut on your enemy, potentially cutting them in half (because that's what katanas do)

Props to the devs for fire arrows though. At least it's a little bit historically accurate this way.

[FON]

Originally posted by Tabus:

I mean, everyone used katanas during the time period this game takes place. The katana is such an amazing sword, truly a masterpiece made by the finest blacksmiths and made from the finest iron in Japan. There is a reason why the katana lasted for 900 years, and why folding steel was cutting edge (no pun intended) technology back in its day. I mean, even the vikings used that method, who were still around in the 16-17th century.
Every single katana was worked on for weeks, and even months by the finest blacksmiths that have ever lived on Earth. That's why there were so many of them, and that's why it was used as a last resort weapon by the soldiers, because it was so rare that only the elite samurai could wield them. It was truly a honor to have such a fine sword in your possession, and only the samurai deserved to have that kind of honor. Oh, and let's talk about samurai then, shall we? I do not like how common they are in this game. They were the elite of Japan, the true heroes who could slaughter 100 men on their own with their katana (which, by the way cuts through plate armor like it's nothing... the katana was designed for cutting, so it's not really a problem for it). Yet the game does not represent that very well. Samurai die just as easily as the common peasants. How does that make sense? Clearly they are above humans, I mean, samurai weren't just noblemen, they were almost gods, more like half god half human.
Ah, Japan, such a great country that's clearly above every other country in existence. I mean, the Japanese culture is just amazing, it's nothing like anything else on Earth. I mean, it can't be just our warped perception of the past, obviously 17th century Japan was so much better than any other place and time period on Earth, it was almost like Heaven on Earth. I wish I was born back then, and not now. I was born in the wrong generation,

Also, why don't the samurai have their katanas on their backs? Because that's where you should hold them on the battlefield. Not only it looks cool, but it's a lot easier to draw the sword from your back than from your side. It also gives you the element of suprise, because as you draw it from your back, you can land a cut on your enemy, potentially cutting them in half (because that's what katanas do)

Props to the devs for fire arrows though. At least it's a little bit historically accurate this way.

*Throws pommel*

[The Vagabond Sam]

I think you are watching too much sengoku basara. This game represents its elements just well, there are no gods nor half gods boy, if you are the kind of player that just sends your units to attack the enemy blindly you are most likelly gonna get wiped. Every soldier back in the that century had katanas, the difference was the quality of each one, but even spearmen and bowmen had katanas for closer combat, I really dont understand why are you complaining about something with such an unrealistic and childish point of view.

[FON]

Originally posted by Sam:

I think you are watching too much sengoku basara. This game represents its elements just well, there are no gods nor half gods boy, if you are the kind of player that just sends your units to attack the enemy blindly you are most likelly gonna get wiped. Every soldier back in the that century had katanas, the difference was the quality of each one, but even spearmen and bowmen had katanas for closer combat, I really dont understand why are you complaining about something with such an unrealistic and childish point of view.

We got a bite. Pull it out of the water, fast, fast, before it escapes!

[asd]

Originally posted by Doktor von Pig:

*Throws pommel*

*Cuts pommel in half with a katana I drew from my back
You filthy knight, maybe at your plague infested home that it the right way to end someone, but here you fight with honor!
PREPARE THE EXPLODING FIRE ARROWS NOW! THE ENEMY IS COVERED IN GASOLINE FOR SOME REASON SO NOW'S THE TIME TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT!

[Big Pharma]

Katanas on their backs?
"Historically accurate"
Half god or not, a samurai is going to die if enough peasants stick him with their arrows.
Halfway through this thread, it starts sounding more and more like bait. ;)

[RichD]

I dont know if you are a troll or mentally retarded.

[asd]

Originally posted by RahoVrah:

I dont know if you are a troll or mentally retarded.

I'm not sure either anymore.
Sorry guys.

[Big Pharma]

Originally posted by Tabus:

Originally posted by RahoVrah:

I dont know if you are a troll or mentally retarded.

I'm not sure either anymore.
Sorry guys.

No worries.
We can commit Harikiri together.

[asd]

Originally posted by Vietcong Charlie (NVA):

Originally posted by Tabus:

I'm not sure either anymore.
Sorry guys.

No worries.
We can commit Harikiri together.

Not yet. Not until we have watched Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the most historically accurate movie ever made. Although, I can't really remember if it had fire arrows in it. If not, then it's not as accurate as I remember, but I'm pretty sure some knights hold their swords on their backs... no throwing pommels though. Shame...

[Big Pharma]

Originally posted by Tabus:

Originally posted by Vietcong Charlie (NVA):

No worries.
We can commit Harikiri together.

Not yet. Not until we have watched Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the most historically accurate movie ever made. Although, I can't really remember if it had fire arrows in it. If not, then it's not as accurate as I remember, but I'm pretty sure some knights hold their swords on their backs... no throwing pommels though. Shame...

There weren't any fire arrows in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
But the movie was quite historically accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY

[asd]

Originally posted by Vietcong Charlie (NVA):

Originally posted by Tabus:

Not yet. Not until we have watched Monty Python and the Holy Grail, the most historically accurate movie ever made. Although, I can't really remember if it had fire arrows in it. If not, then it's not as accurate as I remember, but I'm pretty sure some knights hold their swords on their backs... no throwing pommels though. Shame...

There weren't any fire arrows in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
But the movie was quite historically accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY

Yes, for example in this scene we can see a very realistic sword fight, perhaps the most realistic we will ever see in a movie.
Fortunately though, it was a draw and nobody died.

[Mile pro Libertate]

Originally posted by Doktor von Pig:

Originally posted by Tabus:

I mean, everyone used katanas during the time period this game takes place. The katana is such an amazing sword, truly a masterpiece made by the finest blacksmiths and made from the finest iron in Japan. There is a reason why the katana lasted for 900 years, and why folding steel was cutting edge (no pun intended) technology back in its day. I mean, even the vikings used that method, who were still around in the 16-17th century.
Every single katana was worked on for weeks, and even months by the finest blacksmiths that have ever lived on Earth. That's why there were so many of them, and that's why it was used as a last resort weapon by the soldiers, because it was so rare that only the elite samurai could wield them. It was truly a honor to have such a fine sword in your possession, and only the samurai deserved to have that kind of honor. Oh, and let's talk about samurai then, shall we? I do not like how common they are in this game. They were the elite of Japan, the true heroes who could slaughter 100 men on their own with their katana (which, by the way cuts through plate armor like it's nothing... the katana was designed for cutting, so it's not really a problem for it). Yet the game does not represent that very well. Samurai die just as easily as the common peasants. How does that make sense? Clearly they are above humans, I mean, samurai weren't just noblemen, they were almost gods, more like half god half human.
Ah, Japan, such a great country that's clearly above every other country in existence. I mean, the Japanese culture is just amazing, it's nothing like anything else on Earth. I mean, it can't be just our warped perception of the past, obviously 17th century Japan was so much better than any other place and time period on Earth, it was almost like Heaven on Earth. I wish I was born back then, and not now. I was born in the wrong generation,

Also, why don't the samurai have their katanas on their backs? Because that's where you should hold them on the battlefield. Not only it looks cool, but it's a lot easier to draw the sword from your back than from your side. It also gives you the element of suprise, because as you draw it from your back, you can land a cut on your enemy, potentially cutting them in half (because that's what katanas do)

Props to the devs for fire arrows though. At least it's a little bit historically accurate this way.

*Throws pommel*

Manuscript #113156, line 989: "And thusly, may you end your forum troll rightly."

lol great thread, keep it up guys :D

[honeybadgerslayr]

My name is Steven. I will briefly review my qualifications before examining the inaccuracy of some of your wilder statements. I am very interested in Japanese language, culture, and history. I lived in Japan for a 16 month period, I speak Japanese pretty well (even if not quite fluently), and I study Japanese history. My specialty is the Bakumatsu period, but I also know quite a lot about the Sengoku period. I have toured various battlefields from both eras and even participated in a reenactment of the second battle of Kawanakajima. I am currently a second year Master’s student.
Firstly, you stated that “everyone used katanas during the time” not only is this statement ridiculous, it is also grammatically incorrect. The Japanese language has no differentiation between singular or plural nouns, meaning each noun is simultaneously singular and plural. A good example of this grammatical concept is the famous 47 Ronin incident. The noun, ronin, is plural in this case, but can also be singular. Thus “katana” would be more correct in your nonsensical rant.
Now for the “everyone” you referred to in your post; not everyone could afford a katana. One of the few good points you made in your post was that the katana was laborious to forge. It also took years of training to become an adept swordsman. As the Jodo Shinshuu Ikko-Ikki found out, it was much cheaper to equip a bunch of peasants with spears, show them the pointy-end, and the direction in which to charge. Oda Nobunaga, the man largely responsible for the suppression of the cult, reworked these rather lackluster infantry tactics to sophisticated mass infantry tactics using a largely conscript army. If you know a little about French history (which I doubt, but am eternally hopeful), it is similar to the Levée en masse of the Republican and Napoleonic eras in which the French were able to succeed against the smaller, but professional, armies of Europe by sheer numbers.
Does “everyone” include women? Women usually trained with naginata (please note the correct grammar) because the weapon’s superior reach allowed them to keep more powerful male opponents at a distance.
Let’s move on shall we? “That's why there were so many of them. . . because it was so rare that only the elite samurai could wield them.” If I was grading this, I would circle this passage and write “contradiction”. Because you are trying to make two contradictory points, I will refute both. Commoners, or “common peasants,” also had katana, that was why Toyotomi Hideyoshi legislated a “sword hunt” when he came to power towards the end of the Sengoku period. There are so many katana because it became the heavily associated with the samurai class during the Bakufu period (1600-1860’s). This was a period of (mostly) peace in Japan. In this era, the sword was chosen a class marker for the samurai, and only they were permitted to carry swords in public (although “common peasants” could purchase that right). This makes sense because a weapon like a yari, a naginata, or a yumi, is ungainly or runs out of ammunition. As I also pointed out, it takes years to become a good swordsman, the only people with that much free time were those that did not have to work for a living. This is the period where you have “the sword is the soul of the samurai” and all that rubbish.
Tanegashima. Look up this word in Wikipedia. Like in Europe, the advent of the gun spelled the end of the warrior caste. Daimyo like Otomo Sorin, Oda Nobunaga, or Tokugawa Ieyasu would use cannon and guns to great effect. That’s why “Samurai die just as easily as the common peasants,” Tanegashima shot essentially a .50 caliber ball. If you got hit with one of those, you really weren’t feeling so hot. The next time Japan had a civil war, 250ish years after Tokugawa seized power, the samurai, who everyone realized were now useless, were disbanded as a class in the immediate aftermath.
“Japan, such a great country that's clearly above every other country in existence.” You know who else thought so? The people who brought World War II to your doorstep. It is a bad idea to idealize any country. I have a particular fondness for Japan, but I realized it has some serious problems. For example, a Prime Minister who denies Japanese war crimes and a suicide rate that tops the charts.
“obviously 17th century Japan was so much better than any other place and time period on Earth” This needs some qualifications. Obviously 17th century Japan was so much better than any other place and time period on Earth if you weren’t either A.) a Christian B.) a commoner C.) a woman D.) a nameless foot soldier E.) a foreigner F.) of foreign ancestry G.) on the losing side H.) all of the above. My statement is much closer to the truth.

Last point, “why don't the samurai have their katanas on their backs?” Short answer: no one did that. As you point out, an overhead swing is more powerful, but it is ill suited for a parry. Samurai wore their katana on their sides with the edge of the blade facing upward and the crescent facing downward. In this manner it would not dull in the scabbard by the edge constantly bumping against the interior. If you watch any jidai geki, notice that they always turn their scabbard before drawing their swords, this is so it can be easily drawn out of the scabbard.
This game is actually extremely historically accurate. Some of the Japanese they use is babble, but largely this game in accurate in regards to what the sengoku period was like.

Please, please, please, please read history before you post.

[Gary]

Originally posted by honeybadgerslayr:

My name is Steven. I will briefly review my qualifications before examining the inaccuracy of some of your wilder statements. I am very interested in Japanese language, culture, and history. I lived in Japan for a 16 month period, I speak Japanese pretty well (even if not quite fluently), and I study Japanese history. My specialty is the Bakumatsu period, but I also know quite a lot about the Sengoku period. I have toured various battlefields from both eras and even participated in a reenactment of the second battle of Kawanakajima. I am currently a second year Master’s student.
Firstly, you stated that “everyone used katanas during the time” not only is this statement ridiculous, it is also grammatically incorrect. The Japanese language has no differentiation between singular or plural nouns, meaning each noun is simultaneously singular and plural. A good example of this grammatical concept is the famous 47 Ronin incident. The noun, ronin, is plural in this case, but can also be singular. Thus “katana” would be more correct in your nonsensical rant.
Now for the “everyone” you referred to in your post; not everyone could afford a katana. One of the few good points you made in your post was that the katana was laborious to forge. It also took years of training to become an adept swordsman. As the Jodo Shinshuu Ikko-Ikki found out, it was much cheaper to equip a bunch of peasants with spears, show them the pointy-end, and the direction in which to charge. Oda Nobunaga, the man largely responsible for the suppression of the cult, reworked these rather lackluster infantry tactics to sophisticated mass infantry tactics using a largely conscript army. If you know a little about French history (which I doubt, but am eternally hopeful), it is similar to the Levée en masse of the Republican and Napoleonic eras in which the French were able to succeed against the smaller, but professional, armies of Europe by sheer numbers.
Does “everyone” include women? Women usually trained with naginata (please note the correct grammar) because the weapon’s superior reach allowed them to keep more powerful male opponents at a distance.
Let’s move on shall we? “That's why there were so many of them. . . because it was so rare that only the elite samurai could wield them.” If I was grading this, I would circle this passage and write “contradiction”. Because you are trying to make two contradictory points, I will refute both. Commoners, or “common peasants,” also had katana, that was why Toyotomi Hideyoshi legislated a “sword hunt” when he came to power towards the end of the Sengoku period. There are so many katana because it became the heavily associated with the samurai class during the Bakufu period (1600-1860’s). This was a period of (mostly) peace in Japan. In this era, the sword was chosen a class marker for the samurai, and only they were permitted to carry swords in public (although “common peasants” could purchase that right). This makes sense because a weapon like a yari, a naginata, or a yumi, is ungainly or runs out of ammunition. As I also pointed out, it takes years to become a good swordsman, the only people with that much free time were those that did not have to work for a living. This is the period where you have “the sword is the soul of the samurai” and all that rubbish.
Tanegashima. Look up this word in Wikipedia. Like in Europe, the advent of the gun spelled the end of the warrior caste. Daimyo like Otomo Sorin, Oda Nobunaga, or Tokugawa Ieyasu would use cannon and guns to great effect. That’s why “Samurai die just as easily as the common peasants,” Tanegashima shot essentially a .50 caliber ball. If you got hit with one of those, you really weren’t feeling so hot. The next time Japan had a civil war, 250ish years after Tokugawa seized power, the samurai, who everyone realized were now useless, were disbanded as a class in the immediate aftermath.
“Japan, such a great country that's clearly above every other country in existence.” You know who else thought so? The people who brought World War II to your doorstep. It is a bad idea to idealize any country. I have a particular fondness for Japan, but I realized it has some serious problems. For example, a Prime Minister who denies Japanese war crimes and a suicide rate that tops the charts.
“obviously 17th century Japan was so much better than any other place and time period on Earth” This needs some qualifications. Obviously 17th century Japan was so much better than any other place and time period on Earth if you weren’t either A.) a Christian B.) a commoner C.) a woman D.) a nameless foot soldier E.) a foreigner F.) of foreign ancestry G.) on the losing side H.) all of the above. My statement is much closer to the truth.

Last point, “why don't the samurai have their katanas on their backs?” Short answer: no one did that. As you point out, an overhead swing is more powerful, but it is ill suited for a parry. Samurai wore their katana on their sides with the edge of the blade facing upward and the crescent facing downward. In this manner it would not dull in the scabbard by the edge constantly bumping against the interior. If you watch any jidai geki, notice that they always turn their scabbard before drawing their swords, this is so it can be easily drawn out of the scabbard.
This game is actually extremely historically accurate. Some of the Japanese they use is babble, but largely this game in accurate in regards to what the sengoku period was like.

Please, please, please, please read history before you post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iO5-ic0Ug4

[FON]

Originally posted by honeybadgerslayr:

My name is Steven. I will briefly review my qualifications before examining the inaccuracy of some of your wilder statements. I am very interested in Japanese language, culture, and history. I lived in Japan for a 16 month period, I speak Japanese pretty well (even if not quite fluently), and I study Japanese history. My specialty is the Bakumatsu period, but I also know quite a lot about the Sengoku period. I have toured various battlefields from both eras and even participated in a reenactment of the second battle of Kawanakajima. I am currently a second year Master’s student.
Firstly, you stated that “everyone used katanas during the time” not only is this statement ridiculous, it is also grammatically incorrect. The Japanese language has no differentiation between singular or plural nouns, meaning each noun is simultaneously singular and plural. A good example of this grammatical concept is the famous 47 Ronin incident. The noun, ronin, is plural in this case, but can also be singular. Thus “katana” would be more correct in your nonsensical rant.
Now for the “everyone” you referred to in your post; not everyone could afford a katana. One of the few good points you made in your post was that the katana was laborious to forge. It also took years of training to become an adept swordsman. As the Jodo Shinshuu Ikko-Ikki found out, it was much cheaper to equip a bunch of peasants with spears, show them the pointy-end, and the direction in which to charge. Oda Nobunaga, the man largely responsible for the suppression of the cult, reworked these rather lackluster infantry tactics to sophisticated mass infantry tactics using a largely conscript army. If you know a little about French history (which I doubt, but am eternally hopeful), it is similar to the Levée en masse of the Republican and Napoleonic eras in which the French were able to succeed against the smaller, but professional, armies of Europe by sheer numbers.
Does “everyone” include women? Women usually trained with naginata (please note the correct grammar) because the weapon’s superior reach allowed them to keep more powerful male opponents at a distance.
Let’s move on shall we? “That's why there were so many of them. . . because it was so rare that only the elite samurai could wield them.” If I was grading this, I would circle this passage and write “contradiction”. Because you are trying to make two contradictory points, I will refute both. Commoners, or “common peasants,” also had katana, that was why Toyotomi Hideyoshi legislated a “sword hunt” when he came to power towards the end of the Sengoku period. There are so many katana because it became the heavily associated with the samurai class during the Bakufu period (1600-1860’s). This was a period of (mostly) peace in Japan. In this era, the sword was chosen a class marker for the samurai, and only they were permitted to carry swords in public (although “common peasants” could purchase that right). This makes sense because a weapon like a yari, a naginata, or a yumi, is ungainly or runs out of ammunition. As I also pointed out, it takes years to become a good swordsman, the only people with that much free time were those that did not have to work for a living. This is the period where you have “the sword is the soul of the samurai” and all that rubbish.
Tanegashima. Look up this word in Wikipedia. Like in Europe, the advent of the gun spelled the end of the warrior caste. Daimyo like Otomo Sorin, Oda Nobunaga, or Tokugawa Ieyasu would use cannon and guns to great effect. That’s why “Samurai die just as easily as the common peasants,” Tanegashima shot essentially a .50 caliber ball. If you got hit with one of those, you really weren’t feeling so hot. The next time Japan had a civil war, 250ish years after Tokugawa seized power, the samurai, who everyone realized were now useless, were disbanded as a class in the immediate aftermath.
“Japan, such a great country that's clearly above every other country in existence.” You know who else thought so? The people who brought World War II to your doorstep. It is a bad idea to idealize any country. I have a particular fondness for Japan, but I realized it has some serious problems. For example, a Prime Minister who denies Japanese war crimes and a suicide rate that tops the charts.
“obviously 17th century Japan was so much better than any other place and time period on Earth” This needs some qualifications. Obviously 17th century Japan was so much better than any other place and time period on Earth if you weren’t either A.) a Christian B.) a commoner C.) a woman D.) a nameless foot soldier E.) a foreigner F.) of foreign ancestry G.) on the losing side H.) all of the above. My statement is much closer to the truth.

Last point, “why don't the samurai have their katanas on their backs?” Short answer: no one did that. As you point out, an overhead swing is more powerful, but it is ill suited for a parry. Samurai wore their katana on their sides with the edge of the blade facing upward and the crescent facing downward. In this manner it would not dull in the scabbard by the edge constantly bumping against the interior. If you watch any jidai geki, notice that they always turn their scabbard before drawing their swords, this is so it can be easily drawn out of the scabbard.
This game is actually extremely historically accurate. Some of the Japanese they use is babble, but largely this game in accurate in regards to what the sengoku period was like.

Please, please, please, please read history before you post.

I did not read the text wall but please tell me that it isn't a serious response