Otomo - Fun but easy

[markeason]

Last few days I've been playing Otomo for the first time.

I like the different options for this clan, units and religion, but find them overpowered making the campaign a bit too easy.

The nanban trade ship has an occasional bug on the campaign map when stacked with other vessels in that it can be selected but not moved - until either it or the vessels with it are disbanded. Having to disband three bow kobayas at level 7 and 8 brought a tear to my eye when I recalled the battles they had gone through to get there.

I wondered if this was caused by Mods I was using (camera - unlikely, Hattori/Tokugawa Kiso ninja fix - unlikely, Font size - unlikely), but have seen reports of this in historical posts. Has anyone current encountered this and knows of a fix short of keeping the nanban trade ship out of the stack? It's not a game breaking problem, just a minor irritant.

[Sn3z]

Yeah and Leased land is a great, really helps you start to snowball.

[markeason]

I never use leased land. The cash represents about a third of my peak income each turn. No way am I giving up a point of honour or building slot for that. If it was a genuine lease with a meaningful annual revenue stream I might be interested, but it's not.

Some players use it. It's not for me though.

I'm getting a sense of deja vu here. I'm sure this was discussed recently.

[Sn3z]

Originally posted by markeason:

I never use leased land. The cash represents about a third of my peak income each turn. No way am I giving up a point of honour or building slot for that. If it was a genuine lease with a meaningful annual revenue stream I might be interested, but it's not.

Some players use it. It's not for me though.

I'm getting a sense of deja vu here. I'm sure this was discussed recently.

Banked cash in the treasury at the start is all that matters.

[Imhotep]

I had a land stack that was unable to move. I was able to get them to move by ordering them to move to a city. So you could try ordering a stuck naval stack to move to a port, or perhaps to another stack of ships.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by Sn3z:

Originally posted by markeason:

I never use leased land. The cash represents about a third of my peak income each turn. No way am I giving up a point of honour or building slot for that. If it was a genuine lease with a meaningful annual revenue stream I might be interested, but it's not.

Some players use it. It's not for me though.

I'm getting a sense of deja vu here. I'm sure this was discussed recently.

Banked cash in the treasury at the start is all that matters.

That locked building slot could provide a lot more gold or growth over time than that small gift.

[markeason]

Originally posted by Sn3z:

Originally posted by markeason:

I never use leased land. The cash represents about a third of my peak income each turn. No way am I giving up a point of honour or building slot for that. If it was a genuine lease with a meaningful annual revenue stream I might be interested, but it's not.

Some players use it. It's not for me though.

I'm getting a sense of deja vu here. I'm sure this was discussed recently.

Banked cash in the treasury at the start is all that matters.

Nonsense.

I have not used Leased Land and currently have about 100,000 banked with all my armies built. I have even turned taxation to low as the cash is coming in faster than I can spend it.

The low taxation also helps with happiness in conquered provinces as I take out the rest of Japan.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Otomo swims in cash with all the growth spreading from churches.

[Sn3z]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Originally posted by Sn3z:

Banked cash in the treasury at the start is all that matters.

That locked building slot could provide a lot more gold or growth over time than that small gift.

Sure and you can go from paycheck to paycheck trying to save pennies for buildings/upgrades if you want. Investing say 4 or 5 land leases (that's probably the max your going to get if you care about honor and to use most effectively at start) into infrastructure that's a big deal, would give food + gold then you have the the food and gold for market upgrades, it essentially speeds everything up. Not to mentioned the possibilty of using the banked income to bribe for a big tempo swing in a war. What about paying for trade fleets with protection that's also probably a good way to use the gold aswell. wIth Otomo you won't be missing the way to many recruitment buildings that samurai have and can just mass recruit matchlocks with the event from nanban port to defend forts/castles with some Ashigaru.

[Sn3z]

I should add one more very important thing leased land can allow you to play on 0 income, provided you reserve the slots for the time in which you want to put down the leased land you can use that injection of cash to invest into infrastructure to dig your self out of that hole, this can give a slight edge in early game conquesting for settlements, with every other clan it pays*heh* to keep a fixed income that you don't want to go below that is atleast the price of a market/sake den or farm so you can cover the costs per turn atleast to push up your income.

[easytarget]

Anyone having trouble making money in S2 doesn't know what they're doing.

Being that I do know what I'm doing that makes this choice a non-starter I've completely ignored with zero consequence.

[Sn3z]

Originally posted by easytarget:

Anyone having trouble making money in S2 doesn't know what they're doing.

Being that I do know what I'm doing that makes this choice a non-starter I've completely ignored with zero consequence.

Yo bruh I heard you like making money,
so we put this building in to give you money,
so you can money while you money...

[Elitewrecker PT]

You mean this building that gives you less money than it could in the long run and costs you honor.

[Sn3z]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

You mean this building that gives you less money than it could in the long run and costs you honor.

Well the honor is easily countered, there's atleast 4 ways of getting honor so that's completely off the table - early game its far better to have banked amount money in the treasury for various reasons(tahts the same for every TW I have played anyway), but in this TW building upgrades even infrastructure are particularly expensive AF.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Otomo already get plenty of money, and you're not in a location that you suddenly need to recruit 3 matchlocks or building that road will save your game.

[markeason]

Originally posted by Sn3z:

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

That locked building slot could provide a lot more gold or growth over time than that small gift.

Sure and you can go from paycheck to paycheck trying to save pennies for buildings/upgrades if you want. Investing say 4 or 5 land leases (that's probably the max your going to get if you care about honor and to use most effectively at start) into infrastructure that's a big deal, would give food + gold then you have the the food and gold for market upgrades, it essentially speeds everything up. Not to mentioned the possibilty of using the banked income to bribe for a big tempo swing in a war. What about paying for trade fleets with protection that's also probably a good way to use the gold aswell. wIth Otomo you won't be missing the way to many recruitment buildings that samurai have and can just mass recruit matchlocks with the event from nanban port to defend forts/castles with some Ashigaru.

Whatever are you on about ?

I have 10 trade ships with a bow kobaya to guard them on 5 of the six trade nodes. I don't have the 6th because I can't be bothered to sail to the far end of Japan, I'll take it when I get there.

I had 200,000koku, spent 100,000 recruiting my armies, I am on minimum taxation and still making more money than I can spend.

There is no building that I cannot afford.

I don't need money for bribing. My Metsukes are in towns raking in the cash.

I had a few Matchlocks to defend Buzen whilst turtling and waiting for research bu tthey are not good enough for the main armies which have Portuguese Tercos, Naginata Samurai, Katana Samurai and Donderbuss cavalry. They are invincible.

With a brace of level 6 ninjas to lead the way I will breeze through the island.