Delet Realm Divide already in campaign

[Akboris]

Realm Divide is a terribly integrated pile of ass crap. I forgot about it and I know that when I get 13 regions or whatever im going to suddenly stop playing the game.

Are there any currently working mods to remove it that doesnt need a new campaign?

[Tricosis]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=116607739

[Akboris]

Originally posted by ts:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=116607739

Doesnt work. It hasnt been updated in half a decade

[Tricosis]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=132557557

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=746792877&searchtext=realm+divide

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1254841042&searchtext=realm+divide

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=130459504&searchtext=realm+divide

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=185084752&searchtext=realm+divide

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[<< BATFINK >>]

I recently got around this as Shimazu by not progressing too far, then pausing to build up my money and armies. In the game, Oda took over the shogunate and together with the Date, became the only other mainland players. I continued to be allied with Chosokabe. I stayed very friendly with Oda and Date as well.

I then set about sending my priests into Oda territories. inciting revolt after revolt. I still managed to remain very friendly with the Oda. When Oda were down to around 6 provinces, I set about claiming the rebellious provinces as mine. This then built up my status. By the time Realm Divide was called, I only had the weakened Oda and Date (about 10 provinces between them) to worry about and they were hardly a match for me and I completed total domination in the mid 1590's.

That's one way to go about it. The key in my view is to build up enough money to keep from bankrupting during the initial realm divide years. You can wait unitl the the 1580's before really embarking on your main conquest run and still make it.

[Akboris]

Originally posted by << BATFINK >>:

I recently got around this as Shimazu by not progressing too far, then pausing to build up my money and armies. In the game, Oda took over the shogunate and together with the Date, became the only other mainland players. I continued to be allied with Chosokabe. I stayed very friendly with Oda and Date as well.

I then set about sending my priests into Oda territories. inciting revolt after revolt. I still managed to remain very friendly with the Oda. When Oda were down to around 6 provinces, I set about claiming the rebellious provinces as mine. This then built up my status. By the time Realm Divide was called, I only had the weakened Oda and Date (about 10 provinces between them) to worry about and they were hardly a match for me and I completed total domination in the mid 1590's.

That's one way to go about it. The key in my view is to build up enough money to keep from bankrupting during the initial realm divide years. You can wait unitl the the 1580's before really embarking on your main conquest run and still make it.

Its not the difficulty. Its how sudden it is, and how it makes no sense. I lose immersion.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Originally posted by Akbaro:

Originally posted by << BATFINK >>:

I recently got around this as Shimazu by not progressing too far, then pausing to build up my money and armies. In the game, Oda took over the shogunate and together with the Date, became the only other mainland players. I continued to be allied with Chosokabe. I stayed very friendly with Oda and Date as well.

I then set about sending my priests into Oda territories. inciting revolt after revolt. I still managed to remain very friendly with the Oda. When Oda were down to around 6 provinces, I set about claiming the rebellious provinces as mine. This then built up my status. By the time Realm Divide was called, I only had the weakened Oda and Date (about 10 provinces between them) to worry about and they were hardly a match for me and I completed total domination in the mid 1590's.

That's one way to go about it. The key in my view is to build up enough money to keep from bankrupting during the initial realm divide years. You can wait unitl the the 1580's before really embarking on your main conquest run and still make it.

Its not the difficulty. Its how sudden it is, and how it makes no sense. I lose immersion.

It makes quite a bit of sense to me, and it is one of the reasons why this is in my top 3 total war titles. In amy other game, once you reach a certain point in the campaign you are unstoppable. With the realm divide system, combined with the time limit, there is an actual challenge in the late game, and shogun 2 campaigns are among the only ones I actually finish as a result. I just stop 3/4ths into my other campaigns because they just become cleanup operations.

As for immersion, it is natural that at some point other factions will fear you, and at that point it is natural for them to band together to try and defeat you. If you play on VH or legendary, which it seems you don't, almost everyone is at war with you anyways by the time you hit realm divide, so there is really not much difference. It serves as a rising crescendo as the campaign reaches its conclusion, rising and rising until you finally claim kyoto. Heck, it serves as a better version of the Chaos Invasion in Warhammer than the actual chaos invasion because on high difficulties the stakes and tension rise to such a degree.

Also, it does not really take affect as much as you are letting on. It takes around 3 turns for the neutral faction to declare war, and around 5-8 for your allies to. That is quite a lot of time to prepare if you weren't already preparing for it.

I am glad this mechanic is in the game and personally hope that they integrate a mastered version of it into their future titles

[easytarget]

Pretty much the above.

This game mechanic makes perfect sense both in terms of balance of power and as a way of addressing the inevitable development by mid game of an overly powerful human player that in every other TW title causes the player to black out from boredom leaving their cat/dog to hit the next turn button over and over till they win.

[Mile pro Libertate]

Yeah Realm Divide is a core mechanic to Shogun 2. It is arguably the whole campaign: you spend the first part of the campaign pushing towards it, the middle part preparing for it and surviving the initial chaos, and the last part is working through it to get Kyoto and the last provinces.

It shouldn't come as unexpected or arbitrary either, because it is talked about in each faction intro, and is the first thing the campaign advisor talks about before you ever make a single move. Plus, you have the Fame meter in the Clan screen the entire time you're playing.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Originally posted by Mile pro Libertate:

Yeah Realm Divide is a core mechanic to Shogun 2. It is arguably the whole campaign: you spend the first part of the campaign pushing towards it, the middle part preparing for it and surviving the initial chaos, and the last part is working through it to get Kyoto and the last provinces.

It shouldn't come as unexpected or arbitrary either, because it is talked about in each faction intro, and is the first thing the campaign advisor talks about before you ever make a single move. Plus, you have the Fame meter in the Clan screen the entire time you're playing.

Not to mention reminders for each quarter you achieve of the power meter

[Akboris]

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

Originally posted by Akbaro:

Its not the difficulty. Its how sudden it is, and how it makes no sense. I lose immersion.

It makes quite a bit of sense to me, and it is one of the reasons why this is in my top 3 total war titles. In amy other game, once you reach a certain point in the campaign you are unstoppable. With the realm divide system, combined with the time limit, there is an actual challenge in the late game, and shogun 2 campaigns are among the only ones I actually finish as a result. I just stop 3/4ths into my other campaigns because they just become cleanup operations.

As for immersion, it is natural that at some point other factions will fear you, and at that point it is natural for them to band together to try and defeat you. If you play on VH or legendary, which it seems you don't, almost everyone is at war with you anyways by the time you hit realm divide, so there is really not much difference. It serves as a rising crescendo as the campaign reaches its conclusion, rising and rising until you finally claim kyoto. Heck, it serves as a better version of the Chaos Invasion in Warhammer than the actual chaos invasion because on high difficulties the stakes and tension rise to such a degree.

Also, it does not really take affect as much as you are letting on. It takes around 3 turns for the neutral faction to declare war, and around 5-8 for your allies to. That is quite a lot of time to prepare if you weren't already preparing for it.

I am glad this mechanic is in the game and personally hope that they integrate a mastered version of it into their future titles

It doesnt, even if Ashikaga is at war with multiple clans and no allies they suddenly bow to his word and turn on you. No one put any actual thought into it.

Shogun 2 is possibly one of my least favorite total war games, realm divide is just a cherry on top of the boring, repetitive, linear cake.

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Originally posted by Akbaro:

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

It makes quite a bit of sense to me, and it is one of the reasons why this is in my top 3 total war titles. In amy other game, once you reach a certain point in the campaign you are unstoppable. With the realm divide system, combined with the time limit, there is an actual challenge in the late game, and shogun 2 campaigns are among the only ones I actually finish as a result. I just stop 3/4ths into my other campaigns because they just become cleanup operations.

As for immersion, it is natural that at some point other factions will fear you, and at that point it is natural for them to band together to try and defeat you. If you play on VH or legendary, which it seems you don't, almost everyone is at war with you anyways by the time you hit realm divide, so there is really not much difference. It serves as a rising crescendo as the campaign reaches its conclusion, rising and rising until you finally claim kyoto. Heck, it serves as a better version of the Chaos Invasion in Warhammer than the actual chaos invasion because on high difficulties the stakes and tension rise to such a degree.

Also, it does not really take affect as much as you are letting on. It takes around 3 turns for the neutral faction to declare war, and around 5-8 for your allies to. That is quite a lot of time to prepare if you weren't already preparing for it.

I am glad this mechanic is in the game and personally hope that they integrate a mastered version of it into their future titles

It doesnt, even if Ashikaga is at war with multiple clans and no allies they suddenly bow to his word and turn on you. No one put any actual thought into it.

Shogun 2 is possibly one of my least favorite total war games, realm divide is just a cherry on top of the boring, repetitive, linear cake.

To each his own then, though I find it quite ironic since I find the lack of it to just be boring, easy repitition

[Akboris]

Originally posted by THEDOSSBOSS:

Originally posted by Akbaro:

It doesnt, even if Ashikaga is at war with multiple clans and no allies they suddenly bow to his word and turn on you. No one put any actual thought into it.

Shogun 2 is possibly one of my least favorite total war games, realm divide is just a cherry on top of the boring, repetitive, linear cake.

To each his own then, though I find it quite ironic since I find the lack of it to just be boring, easy repitition

Its repetitive anyway. Mass hordes of the same enemies wont change the core gameplay.

[easytarget]

In my experience exaggeration in making a point is highly persuasive. Hyperbole is a woefully underutilized tool in steam game forum discussions.

[Mile pro Libertate]

Originally posted by easytarget:

In my experience exaggeration in making a point is highly persuasive. Hyperbole is a woefully underutilized tool in steam game forum discussions.

Pfft..exaggeration and hyoerbole is not persuasive! That's the most ridiculous, inane, evil and socially disruptive assertion I've ever heard in all the days I've been alive on this earth!






;)

[THEDOSSBOSS]

Originally posted by Mile pro Libertate:

Originally posted by easytarget:

In my experience exaggeration in making a point is highly persuasive. Hyperbole is a woefully underutilized tool in steam game forum discussions.

Pfft..exaggeration and hyoerbole is not persuasive! That's the most ridiculous, inane, evil and socially disruptive assertion I've ever heard in all the days I've been alive on this earth!






;)

BAAGH. It is merely BEYOND YOIR COMPREHENSION