Is there any way to play without installing Flash?

[aro]

When installing, it requires me to install Adobe Flash. I refuse to install Flash on my computer. Is there any way to play without it?

[Mile pro Libertate]

Originally posted by aro:

When installing, it requires me to install Adobe Flash. I refuse to install Flash on my computer. Is there any way to play without it?

I don't believe there is.

People have had the game refuse to run properly, or even get to the main menu, because their Flash wasn't installed or was installed bugged.

[Iceira]

flash is build in depend on browser, so no you dont have to install it. but game will try to install it. if you dont have it.

[aro]

Originally posted by Iceira:

flash is build in depend on browser, so no you dont have to install it. but game will try to install it. if you dont have it.

Flash isn't browser specific. Some browsers (like Chrome) will embed their own version, but the version that this game requires is system wide. I've tried refusing to install it, but the game doesn't even launch.

[NokotaMustang]

I don't think you need it installed (I don't). It comes with a portable version that the game accesses when it runs.

[aro]

Originally posted by Munki:

I don't think you need it installed (I don't). It comes with a portable version that the game accesses when it runs.

I wish that was the case, but when launching the game for the first time, it runs the Flash installer found at "\steamapps\common\Total War SHOGUN 2\redist". I've tried canceling the install and removing the installer from that folder, but the game just silently fails to launch.

[NokotaMustang]

I've done a complete search, that process does not put flash on your system as far as I can tell. I can't find it anywhere, not in my browsers, not as a service, and not in control panel or the program and features (for removal). Also not with an exhaustive file search either.

My best guess is that installer is creating a config file in the user/app data/roaming/macromedia folder to allow permission for shogun 2. The contents of this file is two lines, for me this is:

# Trust flash files in the following directory (TW install):
C:/Jungle/Steam/steamapps/common

On inspecting some forums, the install directory for a normal flash player is:
C:\Windows\SysWOW64\Macromed\Flash
or
C:\Windows\system32\Macromed\Flash

I have another configuration file in SysWOW64\Macromed\Flash but no exe or dll.

Secondly, I think that the flash dll is included inside the base game exe and runs when the game is launched as part of the code.

The reason for flash is CA used it for the UI elements of the game, I have no idea why and I dislike it but there you are. They use this I believe to tween the UI elements like a simple animation.

I can't find any other trace of it on my system.

[aro]

Munki, you inspired me to experiment a little to learn more. I decided to just install Flash when launching the game, but even that didn't work. After verifying game files, I was able to launch.

Then I got curious. The Flash installer added the "Adobe Flash" item to Control Panel, so it seems to be a system installation. I also saw .exe and .dll files in the Windows folders that you mentioned.

I ran the Flash uninstaller which removed the Control Panel item, but didn't remove the files in the Windows folders. So I manually removed all traces of Flash from Windows and User folders.

After all that, I was still able to launch the game. At this point, I'm confused since I have no traces of Flash but the game still launches and is playable (as you have experienced).

Strange...

[Iceira]

no its not stange, game is 5years old and back then, it was need as 3part app, but this has change overtime depend on browser / new OS has new browser with build in 3part app as standard.

[Mile pro Libertate]

Originally posted by Iceira:

no its not stange, game is 5years old and back then, it was need as 3part app, but this has change overtime depend on browser / new OS has new browser with build in 3part app as standard.

That would explain it. Because I definitely remember people having issues running the game without installing it years ago.

[aro]

Originally posted by Iceira:

no its not stange, game is 5years old and back then, it was need as 3part app, but this has change overtime depend on browser / new OS has new browser with build in 3part app as standard.

When I said "strange", I was referring to the fact that I don't have Flash installed at all and the game still launches (even though the pre-launch sequence asked me to install it). I'm not sure what you mean by "3part app". Browsers have absolutely nothing to do with system wide installs of Flash. Some browsers (like Chrome and Edge) embed their own portable version. This game attempted to install a system wide version of Flash.

[Iceira]

i doubt that CA will change installation script, because it was done and needed backthen. and this is one of them things, that time has change and again you can still install a outdate OS and play on it, and that why they will keep it as it is, so flash is not forgotten and they will never get it to work if they remove it.

ps.
what prevent you from edit the script, other steam users has done this. they had the 32bit/64bit issue and script keep naging about the 32bit then they have 64bit version of it. this is another problem with it.

well if you dont understand who made what in a browser we cant help you. there is many other 3party app runs in our browser that is needed. browser is actual total outdate in its native form and many homepage wont work without them.

[aro]

Originally posted by Iceira:

i doubt that CA will change installation script, because it was done and needed backthen. and this is one of them things, that time has change and again you can still install a outdate OS and play on it, and that why they will keep it as it is, so flash is not forgotten and they will never get it to work if they remove it.

ps.
what prevent you from edit the script, other steam users has done this. they had the 32bit/64bit issue and script keep naging about the 32bit then they have 64bit version of it. this is another problem with it.

well if you dont understand who made what in a browser we cant help you. there is many other 3party app runs in our browser that is needed. browser is actual total outdate in its native form and many homepage wont work without them.

The issue has been resolved.

[nicovallejos]

Originally posted by aro:

Originally posted by Iceira:

i doubt that CA will change installation script, because it was done and needed backthen. and this is one of them things, that time has change and again you can still install a outdate OS and play on it, and that why they will keep it as it is, so flash is not forgotten and they will never get it to work if they remove it.

ps.
what prevent you from edit the script, other steam users has done this. they had the 32bit/64bit issue and script keep naging about the 32bit then they have 64bit version of it. this is another problem with it.

well if you dont understand who made what in a browser we cant help you. there is many other 3party app runs in our browser that is needed. browser is actual total outdate in its native form and many homepage wont work without them.

The issue has been resolved.

Please be advised, Adobe Flash Player is nearing the end of its life; Adobe will pull Flash off this 2020. Downloading of Adobe Flash Player is no longer safe.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/25/flash_nahuh_internets_screen_door_gone_for_good_by_2020/

[Duck Twacy]

What's the deal with not wanting to install flash?

[Duck Twacy]

I don't see what the issue is. Adobe just keeps patching it, and there's no press release or other announcement saying that they're cancelling it. Just keep it up to date.

https://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/release-note/fp_31_air_31_release_notes.html