Confused by trade, please help.

[UbuntuFoo]

Help clear this up for a newbie please:

I am Shimazu on normal difficulty.

I have 3 provinces with 2 ports, 1 is a trading port and 1 is a military port (which is 3 total sea trade routes if I understand correctly.)

I have taken 3 of the South West trade nodes (2 incense, 1 silk). My trade tab indicates this under "producing", but on my diplomacy tab it shows silk grayed out and says i do not import/export this.

I border 1 clan only , Otomo (unfriendly). I have contact with 3 other clans overseas: Ikko Ikki, Chosokabe, Miyoshi (all indifferent).

Otomo is land adjacent so trade option is there, but unfriendly makes him unwilling to trade, understandably.

Chosokabe has trade option but he wont accept any package I offer. incidentally, earlier in the game I forged a trade with him where I included 850 lump sum and he gave me a hostage. He canceled the trade the NEXT TURN essentially fleecing me for the 850 and sacrificing his hostage to me? WTF? What penalty does he get for this?

Ikko has trade option but he wont accept any package I offer.

Miyoshi has NO trade option because it says " my ports are at full capacity".

so...

How are my ports full for Miyoshi, but available to Chosokabe and Ikko?

Why would Ikko and Choso refuse to trade with me when I offer resources they don't have and are merely indifferent?

Why is my silk not showing as available in diplomacy?

Do my incense/silk trade nodes count towards my 3 (?) available trade routes??


PS I do have 3 mods installed.

- Unofficial Shogun 2 Patch 1.4 (nothing in the patch or patch comments suggests trade issues)
- Bigger text/font (+2 p)
- Extended camera minimod

[Wafflesaurus Supreme]

Do you have trade ships on the trade nodes, or only military ships?

The trade agreements also depend on your prospective trade partner's capacity. (In other words, he will need to be able to receive your products.) Miyoshi probably already has too many trade partners to add another route.

[UbuntuFoo]

I have trade ships on the trade nodes, double checked that.

It may be Miyoshi cant accommodate my trade route, but the tooltip says its my ports that are full.

[Facemeister]

Is anybody blockading your ports?

[UbuntuFoo]

No blockades occurring

[BastardSword]

Did you put trade ships on the trade nodes?

As for clans not trading with you, all you can do is ignore it and try again later. You may find that having warhorses makes other clans want to trade with you.

[UbuntuFoo]

It seems after some more web scouring that holding many trade nodes will deter early trade with other clans because they see how lopsided your trade return will be vs. theirs.

[Wafflesaurus Supreme]

Oh wow...

[Elitewrecker PT]

Well, maybe you could move them out of the trade nodes before proposing then.