First play through realm divide

[D55]

So my first playthrough and ive got to the realm divide,every other faction still around has declared war on me.
I can hold them off and grind an advance with armies agents and im even holding my own at sea but id like to know some possible tips or advice about getting a few other clans off my back.
Ive tried diplomacy but everything i offer is unacceptable even though im on friendly terms with some of them.
I can see kyoto and i could push for it if taking that will stop the hostilities.

What i think is unfair about this is theres a faction with 29 provinces so why dont they have this happen to them first? (this isnt important really as id rather get posts about possible courses of action)

[easytarget]

Once you're aware of this coming you can prepare for it, the first time though is a surprise and you're just going to have to grind it out. There is no diplomatic solution to this problem at this point.

Hopefully you've got enough stacks to complete the province count you need for victory. Also keep in mind you need to hold Kyoto for a year in order to meet that condition.

Depending on what clan you're playing one way to get a revenue stream going is to take over the european trade nodes assuming you've got the navy to do it.

[Imzai]

AI will never get realm divide. Only the player. The hostilities will never stop. Before realm divide, you should have gotten alliances - best if secured with marriages. A tip to encourage alliances is to be measured having at least one higher power level as seen on the diplo screen than the AI you want to ally. In order to continue having "Allies", you have to create vassals after realm divide but vassals are quite pointless if you are already at realm divide as they would be too weak to grow. What you should do on the next playthrough is take note that at each difficulty level, there is a certain number of provinces to capture to trigger RD. So pick your provinces carefully and don't occupy any random province - try to get a blacksmith and accuracy province and your troops would already start off being better than the AI's. Also, if you manage to get a port early and can get a trading port by turn 5/6 and can reach the trade nodes by 10, try to get one or two! Do note that it will sometimes trigger the AI to declare war on you (not realm divide but just normal aggression).

Source: I just finished Domination Legendary Hattori (the hardest clan) in about 87 turns imho quite bad cuz I was quite obsessed with getting a upgraded encampment and max level armorsmith and bowyers for max bonus stats... could have finished by turn 60 or earlier

[easytarget]

I think the point of the post above was just to brag, any help derived from it is purely by accident.

[Krutsi]

Hattori hasn't even seen hard. Sure they have an actively bad clan bonus through the increased upkeep, but starting position is everything on legendary.

[rory.b.p]

OP if you didn't build strong relationships before RD then a good method of reducing the number of fronts you face is to create a rebel province on one front.
Also if you have the agents for it then having them behind other clans lines inciting revolts is very effective becayse in RD most of the enemies main armies will be occupied with attacking you.

As for the random Hattori hardest clan.... well that depends on mods, vanilla Uesugi Legendary makes Hattori look like a walk in the park.... but with the aggressive shogunate mod enabled then Hattori Legendary becomes a mammoth challenge.

[D55]

Luckily i have most of my agents on the front lines,i have been causing rebellions and then taking areas to avoid war (obviously now thats not an issue) so i will try push them further inland and cause some havoc that way.

So once RD happens theres no chance of any peace and im not clear on if i had an alliance before RD would they stay after it or will everyone just automatically go to war with me regardless and even if i take kyoto and become shogun they will still be against me?

I was kind of hoping becoming shogun might stop it as it was the shogun that started it

[BastardSword]

You have to prepare for Realm Divide. When I get to 20 provinces (21 or 22 on Domination) and the yellow clan might bar under clan info is full, I just stop expanding and sit around building up my economy and armies, because the next province I take will trigger RD.

Tips:

- build up your economy so that you can survive with zero trade and afford to have several high-quality samurai armies. Build up all farms, avoid losing food from castle building and unnecessary rice exchanges, build up economy in provinces with gold mines or smuggling districts.

- Build up at least 4 armies with full stacks of samurai, preferably Naginata samurai with full armor bonuses, plus some bow samurai or other high-accuracy bow units thrown in. Make 6 armies if you can just to be safe.

- if you're lucky you can have allied clans that will never turn on you after RD. The longer an alliance lasts, the more the other clan likes you. I find Date and Takeda are reliable allies.

- if you take Kyoto, after 4 turns you become Shogun. Then you can create vassals from other clans and they won't turn on you.

[BastardSword]

And using high-level monks to cause rebellions all over the place is a good idea. The AI can be pretty dumb sometimes and enemy clans will just sit around leaving a prime rebel province next door alone. It can create a good buffer between you and other clans and it saps the enemy of funds and useful buildings, though the AI somehow always has enough money to fund multiple stacks of samurai even if they have one province.

[Eat3n]

-Try to keep an ally or two for a long time. That way when Realm Divide kicks ALL the clans aren't against you. If you play it right your allies might even be a buffer for you.

-Strategic use of vassals. If you take a city but you don't really want to keep it, consider making it a vassal. It counts towards your total number of settlements required, you can trade with them (unlike with everyone else), you get a free unit, they can act like a buffer between you and enemies, etc. WARNING: the longer you play and don't have Kyoto the sooner the vassal will eventually betray you. After taking and holding Kyoto for a year make all the vassals you want, they won't betray you.

-Agents are your friends.

[BastardSword]

Vassals suck before Realm Divide because they constantly get invaded or declare war on other provinces, sucking you into wars you don't want to fight. Or you can decline to help them and lose the province and I think get an honor/diplomacy hit which makes other clans more likely to hate you and makes all your cities hate you a bit more. They are good after you become Shogun because you can just let them run the province and move your conquering army on to the next one instead of having to worry about unrest.

[EoNightcore]

Originally posted by BastardSword:

They are good after you become Shogun because you can just let them run the province and move your conquering army on to the next one instead of having to worry about unrest.

Vassals established after Realm Divide kicks in do not get affected by the Realm Divide Mechanic.

Realm Divide triggers twice. Once from gaining too much fame, a second time after taking Kyoto.

[BastardSword]

Originally posted by EoNightcore:

Originally posted by BastardSword:

They are good after you become Shogun because you can just let them run the province and move your conquering army on to the next one instead of having to worry about unrest.

Vassals established after Realm Divide kicks in do not get affected by the Realm Divide Mechanic.

Realm Divide triggers twice. Once from gaining too much fame, a second time after taking Kyoto.

I could be wrong but I think you have to be Shogun for the RD diplomacy penalty to not affect vassals. To become Shogun you have to keep Kyoto for 4 turns.

[Björn]

Originally posted by EoNightcore:

Originally posted by BastardSword:

They are good after you become Shogun because you can just let them run the province and move your conquering army on to the next one instead of having to worry about unrest.

Vassals established after Realm Divide kicks in do not get affected by the Realm Divide Mechanic.

Realm Divide triggers twice. Once from gaining too much fame, a second time after taking Kyoto.

there is only 1 realm divide and that happens when you(the player) gets to strong wich effects the fame of your clan. On medium difficulty i think it was 25 regions to launch and on legendary it is 15 regions. The numbers aren´t right but it should be close to those...

[trix122]

You simply just need build up your army and economy before RD hits. Conquer enough provinces just before RD hits (normal is around 19-21 provinces, legendary as few as 13-14). You want to have mutiple armies preferably 4-5 full stacks this way you can fight on mutiple fronts. Make sure your economy is strong and you have researched appropriate arts on the tech tree (especially your farm upgrades or any that can increase your tax rates or economic growth). You want around 100k in your treasury, the more the better. Also you should be making 4-5k income per turn based on taxes alone since trade is unreliable.

If you really hate RD that badly there are mods that make it easier. The mod below increases your threshold for clan fame meaning you can conquer more provinces without triggering R&D unless you take kyoto. There are also mods that eliminate RD completely.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=185084752&searchtext=prestige+levels