Total War: SHOGUN 2

Total War: SHOGUN 2

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Cpt. Kid Oct 5, 2019 @ 9:30pm
I hate Ashigaru.
Who actually uses Ashigaru? The only use I found good for them is cannon fodder. For reals thats about all they are good for.

I dont even care if my spear levy units get shot in the back to block an enemy charge.

SAMURAI CODE is how it is you guys.
Last edited by Cpt. Kid; Oct 5, 2019 @ 9:31pm
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Ashina Oct 10, 2019 @ 11:26pm 
Originally posted by Cpt. Kid:
Anyways guys my Ashigaru are not equivalent to Samurai they are no where near Samurai Code of Conduct. USE AT YOUR OWN CAUTION WITH ASHIGARU.

Some or even most Samurai in some clan during sengoku jidai are Promoted Ashigaru, just a heads up, Tokugawa, Oda, and even Azai clans do this practices.

Toyotomi Hideyoshi/ Kinoshita is a Ashigaru

Todo Takatora is also a Ashigaru and the first Todo clan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C5%8Dd%C5%8D_Takatora
Cpt. Kid Oct 10, 2019 @ 11:27pm 
You should watch some of my replays sieging. Just laugh. Thats how you use Ashigaru.
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Ashina Oct 10, 2019 @ 11:28pm 
Originally posted by Cpt. Kid:
You should watch some of my replays. Just laugh.
No.
I use Yari Samurai for Sieging supported by a lot of Bow Ashigaru/Samurai/Monks.
Last edited by Ashina; Oct 10, 2019 @ 11:29pm
Ashina Oct 10, 2019 @ 11:32pm 
Originally posted by Cpt. Kid:
Women cant be Samurai. Just laugh at Ashigaru they are just as bad.
they have Second wind ability, which can be a game changer in a prolonged siege.

Onna Bushi is not Samurai nor Warrior, they're trained by their Husband so you expect them to be inferior than their Samurai Husbands.

Read some history book or something.
Raymond Oct 11, 2019 @ 3:53pm 
that because you suck at the game. Dirt cheap solid frontline in a game with powerful archers? You bet I will beat any samurai doomstack with an ashigaru doomstack worth only half as much upkeep.
Does OP have weapons-grade Downs Syndrome or something? What on earth is going on here?
Ashina Oct 11, 2019 @ 8:16pm 
Originally posted by Commisar Jon Fuklaw:
Does OP have weapons-grade Downs Syndrome or something? What on earth is going on here?

Some weeb who read History book arguing with a kid who always skip Class.
Ashina Oct 11, 2019 @ 8:22pm 
Originally posted by YariMurai:
that because you suck at the game. Dirt cheap solid frontline in a game with powerful archers? You bet I will beat any samurai doomstack with an ashigaru doomstack worth only half as much upkeep.

Don't forget the Buff from retainers and such.

I forgot the name of that one Super Retainer(Yumigo or something) which gives a flat +10 Accuracy for all bow units, your Bow Ashigaru will have 35 Accuracy, almost the same as Bow Samurai 40, it's even better with Oda who get +5, which means your Oda Bow Ashigaru will have 40 Accuracy and 35 Reload, for a Super Cheap Ashigaru with even more Bow Samurai killing power due to more men in the units.

Sojutsu Master is a Rare retainer that gives +1 Melee defense for Spear units.
Yari Ashigaru Benefit from this just a little more than Yari Samurai +1 in a 3 Melee defense is more than +1 in 8 Melee defense.
Cpt. Kid Oct 11, 2019 @ 10:37pm 
Ashigaru just dont have the skill and discipline like the Samurai do. The upkeep... you get what you pay for you guys.

You can hold and block with 2 samurai units (katana/nagata) against 10 Ashigaru units. Ive tried it with 2 Ashigaru and the spearwall doesnt last that long but holds out better than in regular stance.

BATTLE FOCUS TRAINING (Samurai Code) as Samurai is where its at. My Ashigaru are all over the place.
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Ashina Oct 12, 2019 @ 1:33am 
Originally posted by Cpt. Kid:
Ashigaru just dont have the skill and discipline like the Samurai do. The upkeep... you get what you pay for you guys.

You can hold and block with 2 samurai units (katana/nagata) against 10 Ashigaru units. Ive tried it with 2 Ashigaru and the spearwall doesnt last that long but holds out better than in regular stance.

BATTLE FOCUS TRAINING (Samurai Code) as Samurai is where its at. My Ashigaru are all over the place.

1. Ashigaru don't have the skill and discipline.
Well, they're very weak in early game due to their stats, but they get the most out of every upgrades, From Armor, Melee Attack, and Morale upgrades makes them strong and cheap.

2. You can hold and block with 2 samurai units (katana/nagata) against 10 Ashigaru units. Ive tried it with 2 Ashigaru and the spearwall doesnt last that long but holds out better than in regular stance.

2 Ashigaru only cost 150 upkeep, while 2 Katana/Naginata cost 300 Upkeep, you have to use 4 Yari Ashigaru or 2 Yari ashigaru and a Flanking Light Cavalry, you can free up like a lot of your economy from using Ashigaru, upgraded or not they can still do their job.

3. BATTLE FOCUS TRAINING (Samurai Code) as Samurai is where its at. My Ashigaru are all over the place.

Historically the Samurai were the one who's all over the places because they're more trained in one on one combat, and sometimes was too over themself, while the Ashigaru sticks together because they're not moronic peasant.


I say it like a MILLION OF GAZZILION TIMES.

Bushido is just Loyalty to your Leader, not Samurai code of Honor of fighting to the death or something, that's just Rotten Western way of seeing Bushido A.K.A "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ doh"

The Real Bushido is to serve your higher up(Daimyo), train for war, and do whatever your leader say.
this doesn't mean that you're tied to that leader, you can just change leader and go to other Daimyo.
Ashina Oct 12, 2019 @ 1:44am 
Who will win

Shogun 2 Elite players who actually played on Legendary like all the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb8lVsFZT_A

https://youtu.be/2sbUDWU3Fjk?t=294


Some Kid who have delusion of grandeur who thinks that he's from a royal family.
Eat3n Oct 14, 2019 @ 12:36pm 
Originally posted by Cpt. Kid:
I sided with Samurai Code you guys. Ashigaru are useless just like Othomo clan.

Ha! Clearly someone hasn't played with either the Oda or Otomo. Ashigaru are the backbone of the Oda clan. And if you had even tried the Otomo clan you'd know they are almost overpowered. Their Tercos are beasts. And their best unit hands down are their priests solely for their ability to incite rebellion.
Björn Oct 14, 2019 @ 2:19pm 
They are 1 of the strongest units in the games if you know how to use them. Nothing beats them for the price they are available and the spearwall just makes them great and cheap to use.

Cpt. Kid Oct 14, 2019 @ 3:18pm 
No way thats like saying Town Watch is the main army for Julii family.

I made my own garrisons and none of them use Ashigaru/Levy units. We dont even need the police force from Kyoto to be part of garrison I use them on the frontlines too.
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Ashina Oct 14, 2019 @ 4:49pm 
Originally posted by Cpt. Kid:
No way thats like saying Town Watch is the main army for Julii family.

I made my own garrisons and none of them use Ashigaru/Levy units. We dont even need the police force from Kyoto to be part of garrison I use them on the frontlines too.

Uh...
Do you ever or even read a history book?

The Roman Marian Legions(Assuming that you meant like Ceasars legions) is made up of poor people who don't own lands.
Basically poor people, not the landowner during the republic times.

They're just poor people who got better equipment and given time to train during Marius reform.

Ashigaru are just as the same, if you don't give them time to prepare(like upgrades and such) they're very weak, but give them time and upgrades, they will become a beast of a unit.

And about the Julius army consisted of town watch, if he don't get time to equip and train his legion, of course his legion would be consisted of town watch.

Legion are a word of Levy, which literally means levied troops, even in republican times when the legions are made up of landowner, they're not a professional force.
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Date Posted: Oct 5, 2019 @ 9:30pm
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