Total War: SHOGUN 2

Total War: SHOGUN 2

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TheAnonymous1 Mar 19, 2017 @ 11:32am
Total War Shogun 2 Crash During Battles!
Hi everyone, I was just wondering if anybody else was having problems with the game crashing. For me, Total War Shogun 2 as well as Fall of the Samurai and Napoleon Total War all crash in real time battles at random points in the game. I have tried everything from deleting things like Blob files to renaming preferences as well as doing something with scripts, (was a while ago so I cant quite remember every file). I have also updated graphics card, Bios and sound cards. I have uninstalled and reinstalled, run as admin, done windows 7 compatibility mode, verify cache, unchecked v sync and adjusted graphics settings on my Nividia Geforce GTX 2gb vram 860m and Intel quad core i5 4590 T processor with 2.0GHz turbo boosted to run at 3.0GHz. I am running Windows 10 with 1920 by 1080 display. If anybody has any solutions that they can think of besides the ones mentioned, please responded as the game has not worked properly for me at around 100 hours of gameplay. It does not stop every battle, but quite often it will freeze and windows will say it encountered a problem but never tells me that problem. I can run Total War Rome 2 without problems, just this game and the two others mentioned are crashing. Thanks for any help you can provide.
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TheAnonymous1 Mar 19, 2017 @ 11:48am 
If it helps, I have recently been forced to run game as admin from its exe file as running it in steam has been unsuccessful. I have run direct x setup and adobe as well as any exe I could find.
Iceira Mar 19, 2017 @ 12:10pm 
2.0GHz turbo boosted to run at 3.0GHz
if this is a laptop boost then its okay, but if you have OC it then it can be that issue, also do check you run at full performance and not some balance mode crap that 3D-game scream for more system resorces

and vsync off , can also be bad several older games dont like that, and start to get odd effects

i read that in a another steam forum, its something about game engine itself and its scripts and OC, seem to trigger odd behaiver, but i cant say this game is effect by it, and ofc. if game is modded this only stress game engine even further,

ahh yeah you are a laptop, goto laptop support page or use you auto update driver and bios if this can help you.


ps.
and rome2 is alot newer game engine hen S2 and is more stable, but if you can run napolion fine then S2 should be same
Last edited by Iceira; Mar 19, 2017 @ 12:13pm
Iceira Mar 19, 2017 @ 12:19pm 
also a good idea to go dx9 as a test, several pc is simple not strong enough to do dx11
and maybe its the system that filled with junk and addware , because it once worked fine wayback, but as we all know, windows is allso got heavy + with all the updates from apox 5 years ago, so maybe turn off shadow , that has always been a good idea on mid range pc, and keep detail higher then keep shadow, but that is another issue. to tune game.
SneakyNick Jul 31, 2017 @ 6:59am 
I know it has been a few months but...

I believe the engine for both Napoleon/shogun 2 (Even Empire I think) got some very bad optimizations. I can run Rome 2 / Attila on ultra settings and it has NEVER ctd a single time since I bought them. I also tried some fixes like yours to get over it but never succeeded... It will still randomly crash in battle If I focus on the blood shed, from time to time.

Nevertheless, If you got a fix that works, I'm also interested...
Iceira Jul 31, 2017 @ 7:39am 
Originally posted by Sneaky_Nicky:
I know it has been a few months but...

I believe the engine for both Napoleon/shogun 2 (Even Empire I think) got some very bad optimizations. I can run Rome 2 / Attila on ultra settings and it has NEVER ctd a single time since I bought them. I also tried some fixes like yours to get over it but never succeeded... It will still randomly crash in battle If I focus on the blood shed, from time to time.

Nevertheless, If you got a fix that works, I'm also interested...

the games you compare with is in the timeline, game engine is better at new titles so it do make sense.

but without computer detail, and i bet you are a AMD user. please update your hardware driver and bios at your support place, and no overclocking and mods as test.
MON Aug 1, 2017 @ 4:32am 
i got those crashes in both of them too. Sry but we have to live with this
Iceira Aug 1, 2017 @ 9:22am 
Originally posted by GABRIEL ANGELOS:
i got those crashes in both of them too. Sry but we have to live with this

contact CA and Sega then, they are the real support.
Björn Aug 2, 2017 @ 4:28am 
sounds more like they don´t have enough RAM memory to run the battles... free up your RAM by shutting down all the programs you do need or expand your RAM...
Björn Aug 2, 2017 @ 4:30am 
Originally posted by Iceira:
Originally posted by Sneaky_Nicky:
I know it has been a few months but...

I believe the engine for both Napoleon/shogun 2 (Even Empire I think) got some very bad optimizations. I can run Rome 2 / Attila on ultra settings and it has NEVER ctd a single time since I bought them. I also tried some fixes like yours to get over it but never succeeded... It will still randomly crash in battle If I focus on the blood shed, from time to time.

Nevertheless, If you got a fix that works, I'm also interested...

the games you compare with is in the timeline, game engine is better at new titles so it do make sense.

but without computer detail, and i bet you are a AMD user. please update your hardware driver and bios at your support place, and no overclocking and mods as test.

I run an AMD pc and i overclocked my CPU and it runs fine here...
Iceira Aug 2, 2017 @ 6:21am 
Originally posted by Ryuu:
Originally posted by Iceira:

the games you compare with is in the timeline, game engine is better at new titles so it do make sense.

but without computer detail, and i bet you are a AMD user. please update your hardware driver and bios at your support place, and no overclocking and mods as test.

I run an AMD pc and i overclocked my CPU and it runs fine here...

yeah but you cant say it work for all then they OC, older pc dont have the right way to OC as new pc that can do it on CPU only, they clock bus and ram and this can lead to unstabilitys in apps, even then it seem windows is stable.
Last edited by Iceira; Aug 2, 2017 @ 6:22am
MON Aug 2, 2017 @ 6:50am 
Originally posted by Iceira:
Originally posted by GABRIEL ANGELOS:
i got those crashes in both of them too. Sry but we have to live with this

contact CA and Sega then, they are the real support.
can i ask what audio driver u are using now ?
Iceira Aug 2, 2017 @ 7:31am 
Originally posted by GABRIEL ANGELOS:
Originally posted by Iceira:

contact CA and Sega then, they are the real support.
can i ask what audio driver u are using now ?

im not the one with a shogun2 problem, i think you ment one of the other guys at steam threads.
MrSoul Sep 15, 2017 @ 8:07pm 
Hey, TL:DR Game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ mate, love her for who she is, or move on.

Just reinstalled this after years, had a crash during a battle, thought "OH! they have to of found a solution for this by now", and found this as the most recent thread about it xD, /sigh.

Long time player of SG2 and sufferer from this problem. I hate to say but it is just a reality of that game engine, its poorly optimized, and CA, MS nor SEGA, nor any of the vid card manufacturers etc could ever seem to root out the problem.

The core of a crash problem like this rests not with your hardware but within the game code itself, the game is extremely prone to memory leaks, and as a 32 bit title, attempts to draw on more RAM than the archetexture of its software, or windows, will allow it. There are some dirty fixes you can try out by messing around under the hood of windows, and within the code of the game...I do not recommend them, as they are a preventative measure at best, and at worst could end up forcing you to reinstall windows lol. It's been a long time since I've tried to fix this problem, but theres some app thats popular with Fallout games that will quickly crack a 32bit .exe to be able to access more RAM, I can attest to trying to google that (4GB something or other was the name I think), for a quick attempt at helping the problem, but beyond that I won't be responsible for recommending any of the tweaks I've tried over the years.

Game engine is so bizare I think it only ever uses one core of a processor, 2gb of ram, etc etc regardless of system hardware, weird old school game engine/windows .exe development crap like that when this game came out on the forefront of tech like DX11. Its a weird specimen, go mad trying to make it run percetly, so my best advice is cross your fingers, quick save like a lunatic, and hope for the best.

On average the frequency of crashes seems to be at around 2~4 hours until the game reaches its RAM limit from its spiralingly useless resource mangement, springs a memory leak and windows shuts it the ♥♥♥♥ down without ever really knowing why. This is also why its one of the most common, and most ignored/hardest to identify or debug problems(and insanely frusterating for any early adopters of 64bit OS's still being forced to run games in 32 lol); its a problem far beyond SG2 itself.

Hope this helps in some way.

For better help in the future, and community in general for Total War, if never heard of, head over to TWCenter.net.
Last edited by MrSoul; Sep 15, 2017 @ 8:16pm
Cap'n Saccade Jun 8, 2019 @ 6:31am 
I've found that it has been happening since I installed a mod (that is unchecked, but brings up the mod manager when launching the game).

Disabling the mod (changing extension .pack to .pack.bak) has meant shogun 2 starts in the normal way - not in a "weird" way and the battle crashes that occour in (usually larger) battles, after 2-3 hours are no longer happening.

I've never experienced a crash with this game in several years, but the last post here describes what I consider to be happening exactly as it is.

Removing mods, so no mod manager launch intereferes (face it, half the mods are cheats and very poorly made - these people are hacks of stats who repaint things or copy-paste "unlocks", not coders) and verifying cache, as well as updating video drivers appears to have helped fix it.
Lui May 19, 2020 @ 5:35am 
for me it was a certain map from a map pack mod that caused crashes always during the same battle. deactivating it for that single battle fixed the problem
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