What use are vassals?

[rolypoly]

Excepting the Shogunate, under what circumstances would it be beneficial to capture a province and then make it into a vassal rather than capture it? Wouldn't you always benefit more from direct control?

[Mile pro Libertate]

There are complex and conflicting takes on vassals.

I'd suggest searching for the topic and reading through some of the deeper threads that have already cone and gone.

[easytarget]

This comes up peridiocally, here's a link to one of the many discussions about them:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/34330/discussions/0/152391995424226992/

[waxman80014]

I never do and near the end I capture my own vassals.

[easytarget]

To each his own, as I explained in the link there are a number of very good reasons to use them post RD.

[MrPurple33]

I really Like the Idea of Vassals, but usually It's not worth it -- You'll be at peace with 2 neighbors, make a Vassal, and then 3 turns Later Vassal is attacked, and now you have to go to War unneccesarily, or Ignore the Vassal and be dishonoured -- I have had a good Asano Vassal to help vs Date, he'd get 3 Provinces and get Armies and attack, but even with my help, Date and another Army (usually Hojo) will crush them, then I have to conquer and hold those territories anyway

[MrPurple33]

the only real use for vassals is near the beginning of a game -- 1 or 2 give you buffer zones, while you build up your "core" provinces and armies -- they also give you easy trading partners, but pretty soon they get squashed, but you'll expand and attack that enemies anyway, so sadly the only good Vassals are ones you're going to Use and Betray

[easytarget]

They are useful as buffers early I suppose, but they'll turn on you at realm divide, so they're a great deal more useful post RD as my link above explained.

[UMP45]

They are good for gaining Honor points for your Daimyo but that's as far as their usefulness will go as they will turn against you upon realm divide.

I'd normally conquer a clan and turn them into a vassal clan before causing a rebellion and recapturing the province for myself.

[ERhammer]

Vassels are good in the beginning of the campign when you might be limited on money for repairs/building upgrades and manpower to occupy/hold cities. Also it allows you to spend the money you would have used on building for more units early on or to upgrade the provinces you already own.

[Krutsi]

1. Gives nearly guaranteed trade partners
2. Gives a much stronger garrison than what you could maintain yourself
3. Honor gain (early game)
4. Lets you avoid taking weak provinces for yourself, increasing your income, reducing your expenses (no need to upgrade), and delaying realm divide

BTW. you can maintain vassals more or less indefinitely by giving them money gifts, even after realm divide.

[Eat3n]

*Only after taking and holding Kyoto do vassals really benefit you post RD. If you take Kyoto after having made vassals they still will turn against you.

The only real negative i've had with vassals is in FOTS when you make a vassal and then one of your allies, for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles i guess, decides to declare war on them and then you have to choose between allies. I've gotten burned by that a few times.

[LuNi]

Vassals are close to being wortless. They can't declare war on their own and if they don't have enemies they will betray you sooner or later. Taking vassals just basicly puts them on hold, since you are going to be forced to kill them eventually.

Not really worth 1 honor in my opinion. The tribute they send you is also non existant. It's better to have direct control.

[easytarget]

You clearly can't read, I already explained how they're beneficial.

I can understand though how that might happen, I'd lose my ability to read and even think straight if I spent 5,000 hours playing DOTA2. I mean dear god...