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MWO has various filters for decal display - you can sort primarily by category, and secondarily by whether you own it/how new it is/other stuff iirc.
MWO's default filter is all -> new. The LGBTQ+ decals were, iirc, the most recent decal pack addition. Thus, they have remained in the "new" filter and are displayed when people open the decal menu.
This is not an indication of favoritism, but rather a consequence of how the menus were set up (probably with the goal of showing off new decals to try and get people to buy them).
There are a grand total of 3 LGTBQ+ decals in the game (rainbow flag, trans flag, and the LGTBQ+ flag thing that I can't recall the name of). There is no host of decals here.
Because MWO is a game developed with finite resources and in a specific cultural context; attempting to include representation for every group which humans have organized into is beyond the scope of their budget and development goals, and even if they had infinite resources they obviously wouldn't add representation for certain groups - like, we would never get a swastika as an example.
There is an entire customization selection devoted to the flags of various countries. The LGTBQ+, which I will also note is not really a political organization per se but a community who's members are often strongly politically involved for the sake of self preservation, is far from the only political organization with representation in MWO.
MWO is not an American game (PGI is canadian and the game is marketed to a global audience), and the movement for LGTBQ+ rights is not an American phenomenon.
I can't tell you why they picked LGTBQ+ decals out of all the various options - I'm not on the board or anything - but it does have advantages from the corporate perspective, including:
1: iconography that translates easily and well to decals
2: fairly large base to appeal to(something like 10% of the world's population is theorized to fall within the group)
3: promoting LGTBQ+ representation seems to have worked well for other companies that do it - see Pride Month merchandising.
Nearly 70 countries criminalize private, same-sex sexual activities - 11 maintain the death penalty for the same (source[www.statista.com]). In the country where I live, America, LGTBQ+ people are 4 times as likely to experience violent assault or victimization, more likely to experience police brutality, and are impacted to such an extreme extent by workplace and hiring practice discrimination that it measurably increases the rates of poverty and mental unwellness in the group (source[www.nsvrc.org]).
LGTBQ+ people are measurably enormously disadvantaged by their identity and are fighting to achieve equal rights in both law and practice - the right to marry, the right to not be killed or assaulted in the street for who they are, the right to equal consideration in hiring practices. Your concerns regarding an attempt to supplant traditional american family values and harming children reflect Republican scare and smear tactics which have been used as a wedge issue by the American far-right, and who's conclusions are unsupported by current research on the subject.
LGTBQ+ identities are based primarily on romantic attraction and gender expression - you are confusing it with kink.
The position of religions or extra naturally-based philosophical systems such as Western Occultism on the validity of LGTBQ+ identities are irrelevant, because America is a nation that is (at least in theory) politically secular. I will also note that, even in the event that we are discussing a totally secular version of Occultism (which does not appear to be the case), that it is a philosophical position taken by few and little regarded by the most qualified in its field (i.e., occultism seems very uncommon among the best educated students and practitioners of philosophy), and as such should not be used to define the laws governing the lives of the vast majority.
LGTBQ+ people are vastly happier and more mentally stable when they are allowed to express and live their preferred identities. I consider this good enough justification/validation for their authenticity.
I am getting totally lost in the sauce here.
Can you try summarizing?
If you wish to discard the scientific community and their methods at large, you need to present evidence of their failure or bias.
I do not in almost every case accept broad-stroke arguments speaking on the observable state of the world made solely from annecdote or personal experience, because that instantaneously moves the argument to the position of "I don't know, and you don't know, and there is no point in the discussion" because any one person's immediate perspective is so limited as to be irrelevant on virtually any issue barring rare exceptions.
You want the world as it is now shaped by these religions/philosophies - are they relevant now? Widely practiced now? Used in governmental policymaking, scientific research, etc now?
I think not. I'm honestly leery even of the idea that they were important to a great extent at any time in the nation's history, but even if that could be proved it wouldn't really matter because America has moved past that.
I play DnD with a trans person every month, and they've never assaulted me. My friends and family include bisexual and gender nonconforming people, and same goes for them.
There is nothing that makes your experience more truthful/representative/useful than mine. We both personally know an infinitesimally small fraction of the LGTBQ+ community. That is why broad studies and surveys are necessary - to assemble enough information that one can make an accurate judgement about broad scale things.
That romantic attraction is hormonally driven is not lessening. We're wetware computers and at the end of the day we do things because of hormonally driven emotions - even if we're perfectly logical in our methods, our goals and values are informed by the emotions we feel.
Things like enjoying life, trying to help others due to empathy, and avoiding suffering are hugely important to me and to almost everyone on the planet - what does it matter if they're hormonal?
If these Aetheric entities are real and observable, then you need to provide proof they exist.
If they are not, then they are uninformative regarding the state of the world.
You. You get to do that - or at least, you get to choose how you want to incorporate those aspects of yourself into your identity.
I'm with you on that to a great extent in American culture - but broadly speaking the LGTBQ+ rights movement and its constituent members are the ones pushing for a broader consideration of masculinity and femininity and how we view them. They're fighting against the people who are trying to keep it as dogma.
The universe is a machine. It churns according to fixed natural laws. It does not react to how we act - physically we are subject to it, I guess - punch a rock and you'll get a physical reaction. But it is wholly unconcerned with, like, behavior - there's no reactive force to being cruel or experiencing emotion.
In terms of quoting:
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I love trilobites! Let me quote my favorite author on the subject:
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Stop using Zacanthoididae as a wastebasket for Delmarinae ffs
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Yes there is? The scientific community is composed of people who underwent similar training, approach similar problems with similar methods, communicate with one another about their findings through journals, correspondence, meetings like GSA, etc.
It might be more accurate to say there are a bunch of scientific communities divided by subject - ex: the paleontological community, but yes, they are indeed a community.
Obviously nothing will ever be universally unbiased and objective, but I think the work done by the scientific communities are by and large unbiased and objective enough to use.
I do not copy-paste studies - that is a great way to misread something or pull from an unreliable source and get a hole poked right through your position.
I haven't noticed this at all - especially depictions of females and concealed crotches. I think the status quo has always been to depict female crotches covered due to cultural notions of propriety, outside of certain excepted categories like porn, statuary or painting, etc.
What proof do you have that these shifts have taken place? And that if they have, that this has anything to do with occultism instead of something else (e.g. shifting cultural norms surrounding the depiction of the female body)?
No.
Proving vision is a thing to a blind man should be relatively simple - especially if you assume trust.
That aside, I get if you can't prove something absolutely - but you have to give me some argumentation or evidence in support of it. You're making the assertion that the Hermetic Table is a widespread form of signaling used in media to manipulate people's minds and make them more suggestible to certain ideas or stances, and you need to support that assertion.
I have heard a lot of theories about things messing with our minds. 5G brainwashing, microchips, satellite beams...all of it sounds very bogus to me. What differentiates the Hermetic Table from these garden-variety conspiracy theories?
You're starting to lose me here - the idea, as I understand it - is that humans form nodes in a collective intelligence, like a big decentralized computer? And actions which have no causal effect on one another are actually somehow connected in these processes?
You have now lost me - my best guess is that you're saying humans are deterministic - we react, not act?
I think you're now talking about levels of mind in one human?
What mechanism is the Neural Network Linear Processing or Higher Reasoning Faculty operating on - if it isn't chemical in the brain, what is it? Where is it?
No, that's not right. Self identity is a summation, not a conclusion - it changes and grows over time. It's basically considering yourself and saying "This is what I am right now" - it doesn't necessarily imply that you then stop thinking about it and rest indefinitely.
I would also note that aspects of an identity not changing over time doesn't prohibit reevaluation and doesn't necessarily indicate stagnation - "Ok, am I still gay? checking...yes, yes I am." is still active thinking.
I think you might be using a different definition of identity than me.
Yes there is? The scientific community is composed of people who underwent similar training, approach similar problems with similar methods, communicate with one another about their findings through journals, correspondence, meetings like GSA, etc.
It might be more accurate to say there are a bunch of scientific communities divided by subject - ex: the paleontological community, but yes, they are indeed a community.
Obviously nothing will ever be universally unbiased and objective, but I think the work done by the scientific communities are by and large unbiased and objective enough to use.
I do not copy-paste studies - that is a great way to misread something or pull from an unreliable source and get a hole poked right through your position.
I haven't noticed this at all - especially depictions of females and concealed crotches. I think the status quo has always been to depict female crotches covered due to cultural notions of propriety, outside of certain excepted categories like porn, statuary or painting, etc.
What proof do you have that these shifts have taken place? And that if they have, that this has anything to do with occultism instead of something else (e.g. shifting cultural norms surrounding the depiction of the female body)?
No.
Proving vision is a thing to a blind man should be relatively simple - especially if you assume trust.
That aside, I get if you can't prove something absolutely - but you have to give me some argumentation or evidence in support of it. You're making the assertion that the Hermetic Table is a widespread form of signaling used in media to manipulate people's minds and make them more suggestible to certain ideas or stances, and you need to support that assertion.
I have heard a lot of theories about things messing with our minds. 5G brainwashing, microchips, satellite beams...all of it sounds very bogus to me. What differentiates the Hermetic Table from these garden-variety conspiracy theories?
You're starting to lose me here - the idea, as I understand it - is that humans form nodes in a collective intelligence, like a big decentralized computer? And actions which have no causal effect on one another are actually somehow connected in these processes?
You have now lost me - my best guess is that you're saying humans are deterministic - we react, not act?
I think you're now talking about levels of mind in one human?
What mechanism is the Neural Network Linear Processing or Higher Reasoning Faculty operating on - if it isn't chemical in the brain, what is it? Where is it?
No, that's not right. Self identity is a summation, not a conclusion - it changes and grows over time. It's basically considering yourself and saying "This is what I am right now" - it doesn't necessarily imply that you then stop thinking about it and rest indefinitely.
I would also note that aspects of an identity not changing over time doesn't prohibit reevaluation and doesn't necessarily indicate stagnation - "Ok, am I still gay? checking...yes, yes I am." is still active thinking.
I think you might be using a different definition of identity than me. [/quote]
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Science is an Ideal. People have this notion of Scientists - as if they transcend the typical dumb surf who's incapable of defining their own reality - as if these variable angelic beings are entirely pure, unbias, and driven singularly with an untainted altruistic ethic... Utter nonsense... Science doesn't create anything. Science doesn't discover anything. And Science certainly doesn't prove anything... People, individuals and groups of individuals work together to accomplish things. People think they can just take the word of a "scientist"... or throw some so called 'scientific study' around as if it were passed down to us by the gods..
Besides that, statistic are deceitful. Someone goes to a particular city and asks 1000 people a guided question and 900 respond in a way which favors the result they were hoping to get. They draw from an assumed random pool - as if there were such a thing as a universally/equally random pool - and claim the result represents some kind of consensus... Doesn't at all... That particularly city, really cities in general, are more often 'blue'. Whereas outside the city the folks are nearly all 'red'. Blue and red in the context of politics.
The seas of humanity really more reflect various interwoven dynamics. These statistic claim to support facts but they really only reveal trends across/through the dynamics they were drawn from. Go pick a different group of 1000 people from the same assumed pool and you'l likely get a different result - relative to what yer asking of course.
Like ask 1000 people if they prefer hotdogs over cheeseburgers. Then the next day ask 1000 more people but none of the same you asked previously, and there's a good possibility the result will be different.
Consensus means very little to me. Humanity is madness and volatility incarnate. Consistent patterns of response from animals are far more consistent as the reactions of an animal come from instinctual drives the same across the entire species. *Humans are an entirely different creature all together... Humans consistently act outside the norms of their otherwise assumed dynamics, intentionally polarize, and intentionally aim to disrupt. There's a notion I have called Shadow. Really it's an entire school of the LHP Occult... but there's no way in hell I'm going to attempt to convey that notion in any comprehensive way. Ties in with the notion of 'collective ignorance' manifesting a subtle layer of devious intelligence.
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Do you think Freemasonry is a conspiracy? Do you know what a Hermetic Order is? Do you know what Hermetics is? Have you ever heard the term - Social Engineering?
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All paradigms / philosophies / religions / organizations can be divided between the Left Hand Path variety and the Right Hand variety. LHP is about personal empowerment through self discovery, and we venerate Individuality. RHP is more about the denial or sacrifice of individualism on behalf of a group effort or a god. In fact, in the RHP individualism is often demonized. Your reliance upon me or whoever to prove a thing to you is very RHP. Science if effectively your 'god', your provider, and you follow science with little to no question. You see a study made by some institution you respect and take their word without question, no more different than a Christian takes the Bible at it's words. And before you try to argue that the Bible is so different from science let me remind you that most of the Bible is a historical document composed by historians.
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The Light my friend... Either you have it or you don't. It's as hard to convey concepts about the Light to one without it as it would be to convey anything at all to a dead person. The Light is woven within us. Is raises us, our activity on every cosmic level of our being... The Light connects us to the Primordial Source of sentient intelligence itself...
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Obviously scientists are not all perfect automaton-angels. They’re subject to human vices, error, and failings. But these people have been trained, extensively, to analyze, consolidate, and perform research. The work they produce is inspected for errors prior to release, and their ability to continue to perform said work depends on the impact and validity of their prior studies. Additionally, every scientific work worth its salt has a section where they explain exactly what they did so their experiment is understandable and replicable.
I don’t accept the word of a tradesperson that they did a good job welding something in my house because they are A Welder or member of some grand ideal. I trust their word because they’ve been trained to do this thing, they’ve been accredited by other people trained to do this thing who certified that they could do this thing, and because if I do have doubts I can physically look at the weld and verify to the extent of the knowledge I have on the topic whether they did a good job or not.
Similarly, I don’t take the word of a scientific study because it was Created By Science or part of this perfect process. I’m inclined to believe it because I know that a bunch of people trained to do whatever that branch of scientific inquiry is worked on it, that me getting to read it means other people also highly trained in that field checked it for problems, and because if I’m uncertain of the validity they have a big ol’ section where they say “here is exactly what we did” and I can see whether that makes sense or not.
Statistics can be presented or interpreted in deceitful manners, but the fact that they can be poorly used doesn’t mean they’re inherently worthless. The sort of problems you describe here – sampling bias and leading questions – are things that scientists are trained to overcome – I’ve personally taken a stats course that went into the types of sampling biases and ways in which they can be recognized, prevented, and mitigated.
Understanding the significance of a sample relative to the population is also something that can be overcome – see the p-value (basically, a measure of how likely it is that 800/1000 people saying “I prefer hotdogs!” is due to people liking hotdogs more vs you just happened to interview a bunch of hotdog lovers in a population).
A continuum exists between “humans are deterministic and predictable in every respect” and “humanity has 0 consistency in behavior.”
You can predict human behavior to at least some extent – think of the commercial or ad industries, which exist only because generally speaking you can manipulate people in certain relatively consistent ways.
I don’t know what Hermetics is.
I don’t think Freemasonry is a conspiracy. I’m not super knowledgeable about it, but a cursory glance suggests that it’s a sort of fraternal organization that provides mutual support for members and serves as a place to explore philosophy/mysticism. I think it’s kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥ that they exclude women in a lot of denominations, but overall it seems pretty harmless – especially considering the membership hits its apparently taken recently.
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That seems like a stretch – everything, every single organization/philosophy/etc that’s ever existed can be split neatly into ones focusing on individual empowerment and self discovery vs sacrifice of individualism on behalf of a group effort? It seems like a lot of things have aspects of both, or exist on a continuum between the two.
It’s not a matter of relying on your for proof so much as it is the division of labor in a debate as established by the burden of proof. Obviously I could go do my own research on the topic, but it’s on you to support the points you make because it’s unreasonable to expect someone to go do a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of work on your behalf.
This is especially important because a lot of your arguments are difficult to falsify, which massively increases the burden of disproval.
If your philosophy is incomprehensible unless someone has some esoteric characteristic (which is itself related to the teachings of said philosophy), then that philosophy is kinda cruddy.
If you support the Satanic Temple you do it because they believe in the necessity of utilizing the courts to protect the rights of their members. The legal process has traditionally served as a vehicle for social change by establishing enduring precedents. If the courts abide by legal precedents, they are compelled to protect our religious rights as Satanists.
You do not have to be a member of the Satanic Temple to support that, many other groups have aligned interests. Why shouldn't we get our own decal? If the Dev stuck to decals that were only in the Battletech Universe then this would have never been an issue. Somebody crossed the line somewhere and it didn't start in this thread.
You want WW3 over a decal? Perhaps we need to take a step back? "Or not". You have as much freewill as everyone else. You are probably just posturing but let me be clear about this. I often find myself in support of others’ ideas.
Sometimes I think it's like there's this metaphoric scale and people act like they are putting you on it with the words they speak. I am quite happy with everyone just “putting” everything out there. Just be yourself, right? I don’t judge it and I don’t have some bias; when you say “you people” I wonder if you can hear yourself because the statement is so common. I can’t tell if it’s you or maybe you’re just repeating what you’ve heard.
This is not the way I think, things are not good and evil in my mind. To me the weight of that metaphoric scale is the only measure, let that scale decide, and you my friend may have a lot of support. I can only imagine what the world would be like if somebody that had the power to act on your convictions followed through with it. Fallout 4 is still on my top 5 list.
Nobunaga...takeda...alexander the great.. The list goes on and on.
Hey like literally all of sparta.
Leonidas had a male lover as well.
It's like they're just learning gay has been a thing since man first met man.