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Silithur

Oct 9, 2015 @ 6:19am

I dont understand "Complicated Wires"

Can someone explain me how resolve this module?

Last edited by Silithur; Oct 9, 2015 @ 6:20am

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SirNicolas has Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes

Oct 9, 2015 @ 6:42am

I found it difficult to understand at first, but it seems to work this way:
For example, look at the leftr part, you have the "Wire has red coloring" and "Has ★ symbol" ovals that encounters, and the inside that zone is a C, it means that if the wire is red and has a ★ symbol, you have to appy C: Cut the wire.
A little bit to the right, these two ovals and the "Wire has blue coloring" one encounters. It means that if the wire is red&blue and has a ★ symbol, you have to apply P: Cut the wire if the bomb has a parallel port.
It may be hard to understand since english isn't my first language, but in kinda works that way:
You look at the ovals, and apply the letter that is in the zone where they all connect. So if you have a blue wire with a ★ and the led is ON, you look at these 3 ovals, look where they connect, and apply the letter (in that case, P)

DesertOfSand has Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes

Oct 9, 2015 @ 6:56am

It's a 4-way Venn Diagram.
It consitsts of 4 ovals. If a wire fits a descriptor, then it falls somewhere within that oval. If it fits a second descriptor, it falls within the overlap between the two descriptors. If it fits 3, if fits within the overlap between all three. If it fits 4, if fits within the overlap of all 4.
Similarly, if it does NOT fit a descriptor, you ignore the entirety of that oval.

By including and excluding each of the ovals, you narrow the area to a single section of the Venn Diagram, which has a letter in it. From there you reference the table to determine whether or not to cut the wire.

Originally posted by Vanillascout:
Reading the diagram is simple, but I came here looking for help on the matter as well.

The diagram itself is easy; take one specific wire, and 'disect' it; does it have red and/or blue? Is the LED above it on? Does it have a star on the space below it? For each 'yes' to these statements, the corresponding oval in the diagram applies. The answer is in wherever all the ovals overlap. So for example if all 4 are true (red&blue, LED on, star), the only letter all ovals overlap on is D (which stands for "Do not cut"). Repeat for each wire.

As for what I'm struggling with; I have no idea what to do when there's multiple letters. For example, I had a red/white wire with a star under it. That means only the line-dotted and small-dotted ovals apply. This is where it confused the hell out of me; they overlap on D/P/D/P. So that's 2x "Do not cut", and 2x "Only cut if the bomb has a parallel port". What am I supposed to do then? Can I just write it off as don't cut? Do I check for a parallel port? What if there's a parallel port, does "Do not cut" take priority, or does "cut if parallel port" take priority? Do I have to eyeball which of the results takes up the most space? Is priority based on the "for [letter], do this" list from top to bottom? It's not explained anywhere to my knowledge :/

For a red and white wire with a star, you would cut it.
The overlap between "Wire has red coloring" and "Has star symbol" includes C, P, D, and B, but P overlaps as well with "Wire has blue coloring", so it is discounted; D overlaps with both "Wire has blue coloring" AND "LED is on", neither of which are true, so it is discounted; and B overlaps with "LED is on", which is not true and this discounted. This leaves C, therefore cut.

Last edited by DesertOfSand; Oct 9, 2015 @ 7:03am

Silithur

Oct 9, 2015 @ 6:56am

Ok guys, now i understand it, thanks all ^^

Ｈｅｎｋｅ３７

Oct 10, 2015 @ 10:55am

This one could use some color, venn diagrams are usually done with colored areas, not different stroke styles.

Sistermatic™ has Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes

Oct 10, 2015 @ 5:43pm

Originally posted by Ｈｅｎｋｅ３７:
This one could use some color, venn diagrams are usually done with colored areas, not different stroke styles.

I had serious trouble with solid and dotted lines until memory started to take over. Almost resorted to an enlargement cheat. Not all us olds have 20/20.

Bytewave

Oct 10, 2015 @ 6:42pm

Originally posted by Ｈｅｎｋｅ３７:
This one could use some color, venn diagrams are usually done with colored areas, not different stroke styles.

The manual appears to be intentionally hard to read. I'm sure they would've taken it into account if it was meant to be easy to do.

Prosody

Oct 10, 2015 @ 7:43pm

Originally posted by Ｈｅｎｋｅ３７:
This one could use some color, venn diagrams are usually done with colored areas, not different stroke styles.

I think the idea is that they are kinda encouraging players to print out the manual and take notes where necessary. Take a crayon and trace those badboys. The devs want people to have fun with this game by breaking the fourth wall like that.

Regen7

Oct 10, 2015 @ 7:53pm

Yeah it took me a while to get since I'd never seen a graph like that before in my life. But once you get the hang of it, it's easy. Just look in all the circles that is true to what you see.

Last edited by Regen7; Oct 10, 2015 @ 7:53pm

k1osk Oct 24, 2015 @ 11:40am

I know it's an old topic, but since it's on 1st page of google and people will most likely look for it this is my example of this problem in a simple image : http://scr.hu/0x3a/5vl9q .