Arma 2: Operation Arrowhead

Arma 2: Operation Arrowhead

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Gumbo Slice Oct 10, 2018 @ 5:21pm
ArmA 2 is far below average quality.
I have had this game for a long time, I enjoyed its multiplayer experience. Even though it can be a bit clunky, always had terrible frame rates when playing in huge MP servers.

This game is supposed to be a sandbox, military simulation. The idea is completely awesome, but it comes with more issues and headaches out of any game I have ever seen... The worst part about it, is the fact that all the major problems come up when you try to play the game as the military sim it is advertised as.

-The performance, even on a $4,000 custom gaming pc, is still some how terrible. Mostly when a battle starts.

-The AI is severely broken.

-The worst part, is the campaign, is somehow completely unplayable.

Here is my experience with the campaign. The first mission seemed cool, you land to take an airfield, and you see the combined arms working all around you as you shoot at squads of enemies. What you really get though, is stuck... Your squad leader will stick himself on a cover point and the mission wont progress. You reload and luck out, but your entire squad some how gets stuck and its just you with the team leader.... Awkward start for any game.

Second mission, one of the sequences broke, which halted all mission progress. I spent 5 hours trying to get the mission to work, and at that point I gave up and used a cheat to bypass... How lame!

Third mission, save file would crash the game, and there is no way to choose what save you load into, so NO fix....

After that... I uninstalled everything ArmA 2....

So if you are looking for an MP only game, with clunky controls and bad frames... Then perhaps get it. I think Garry's Mod does a better job at MP then this game though. Otherwise, its not worth the SP experience... Not even a little bit, its so unexpectedly laughable, I cant believe the game actually shipped like this...

ArmA 3, also has a very horrible SP experience, but not nearly this under developed. Arma 3 isn't a complete joke, like this.

Does anyone know what went wrong? Does BI have a troubled past of development?
Last edited by Gumbo Slice; Oct 10, 2018 @ 5:24pm
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Absense Oct 11, 2018 @ 8:15am 
The Campaign for standard Arma 2, Harvest Red, is actually great.

I've been playing it and it's really good. I rarely get game breaking AI bugs, however during the second mission for about 20 minutes my team decided to crawl instead of walking. But, after that the AI went back to normal.

If you can get past the first 3 missions, the mission "Mahatten" is amazing.

You're dropped back into Chernarus and basically set loose. You have a couple set "Main Objectives" but you run into alot of side ops. You meet can meet special locals that you can befriend or not befriend and they can help you if you choose the former. (or betray you, i dont really know about that though"

You take down gun runners, capture Chedaki informants, capture camps, destroy bases.

Before the mission "Manhatten" you even get a smaller mission similar to it. Where you hunt down a high ranking Chedaki, who did ________. You have to investigate key areas, talk to locals, interrogate people, and find clues to where he is.

Arma 2 may have the occasional breaks in AI, bugs, and poor performance. But, its story and mil-sim mechanics are amazing.
Last edited by Absense; Oct 11, 2018 @ 8:16am
dance for food Oct 11, 2018 @ 8:44am 
It's probably just a glitch dude I wouldn't worry about it
Gumbo Slice Oct 11, 2018 @ 8:45am 
Originally posted by IrrelevantBrett:
The Campaign for standard Arma 2, Harvest Red, is actually great.

I've been playing it and it's really good. I rarely get game breaking AI bugs, however during the second mission for about 20 minutes my team decided to crawl instead of walking. But, after that the AI went back to normal.

If you can get past the first 3 missions, the mission "Mahatten" is amazing.

You're dropped back into Chernarus and basically set loose. You have a couple set "Main Objectives" but you run into alot of side ops. You meet can meet special locals that you can befriend or not befriend and they can help you if you choose the former. (or betray you, i dont really know about that though"

You take down gun runners, capture Chedaki informants, capture camps, destroy bases.

Before the mission "Manhatten" you even get a smaller mission similar to it. Where you hunt down a high ranking Chedaki, who did ________. You have to investigate key areas, talk to locals, interrogate people, and find clues to where he is.

Arma 2 may have the occasional breaks in AI, bugs, and poor performance. But, its story and mil-sim mechanics are amazing.

I did play Arma 2's original campaign, Harvest Red. It was just functional enough, that I got to the last mission, I couldn't finish it though.

The last 2 missions had some major issues. When you first play a high command role, you basically get to be able to build an HQ and stuff, but your subordinates never reinforce, and you cant automate them like the actual warfare mode. Also for some reason, if you enter the teams menu on the map, they will grey out, and you cant see where they are or what orders you gave them. I did the whole thing myself... Which was extremely lame..

On the last mission, it was functional enough, all the warfare mode stuff was in full effect. Then all of a sudden it happened again, the game crashed and corrupted the 1 save file. I had already redone the mission twice, and at that point I was so tired of the game having bugs I used the cheat to bypass, and ofcorse the game just ended...

There were some other terrible bugs through, like I had one of my squad mates stuck on moving to a location no matter what. It happened due to forcing him in a car via direct control...

With ArmA 2, the whole experience, was some how unplayable... BI was the one who made those pathetic campaigns too, which puzzels me more. I thought AO might have been redeemable, I mean the first campaign was so horrible, there is no way the company would repeat that mistake... Some how, AO is the most broken yet.....

I just dont get it with BI... I don't know how the games managed to touch release in that kind of a state.
Gumbo Slice Oct 11, 2018 @ 8:50am 
Originally posted by proper hard man:
It's probably just a glitch dude I wouldn't worry about it

Some small glitches are no big deal... When the entire campaign has one majore glitch after another, that only means poor development. When you cant even go through the main campaign, that means they didn't even try...

Also it depens on what is glitching, most the bugs in Arma 2 shouldn't even be present.
Last edited by Gumbo Slice; Oct 11, 2018 @ 8:52am
Gumbo Slice Oct 11, 2018 @ 8:55am 
Not to mention, look how long this game has been out. BI has had more the sufficient time to update it, but seems the game is stuck in some strange early access state... I mean, this game was early access right? Only other explenation for its incredibly horrible game play....
Envy The Dead Oct 13, 2018 @ 12:52am 
if you dont like the game just dont play it
why would you feel the need to rant and rage about a video game like this ?
just play something else

yunux Oct 13, 2018 @ 12:57am 
ArmA CWA(or Operation Flashpoint) had better AI.
Sometimes in ArmA 2, you just can't control your team. Some of them stay where they are or get stuck targeting something.
Gumbo Slice Oct 13, 2018 @ 7:36am 
Originally posted by zer⊙L⊙gìÇ:
if you dont like the game just dont play it
why would you feel the need to rant and rage about a video game like this ?
just play something else
Well, if no one ever voices their opinion, then developers wouldn't know what to improve on.

I think for ArmA 4, they should put more effort into their single player. Arma 2's campaign maybe unplayable, but in Arma 3, the same kind of carelessness runs through it. Sure, their scripts work in Arma 3, for the most part. The AI in Arma 3 though has rocks for brains, which ruins the campaign experience.

Originally posted by k0ntorora:
ArmA CWA(or Operation Flashpoint) had better AI.
Sometimes in ArmA 2, you just can't control your team. Some of them stay where they are or get stuck targeting something.
I know, after beating Operatiom Flashpoint, it makes me wonder why BI couldn't have such decent AI with an easy command system to use while in combat.

I probably wouldn't complain so hard if the AI isn't so micro-heavy and unaware of whats going on.

In Arma 3 I have managed to gun down entire sqauds because they would stand there and do nothing... Or they would snap shoot you in the head out of no where...

Arma 2 suffers similar problems, but it makes me wonder why Arma 3 AI is still somehow nonexsistant...
Envy The Dead Oct 13, 2018 @ 8:17am 
Originally posted by Wilbur Cobb:
Originally posted by zer⊙L⊙gìÇ:
if you dont like the game just dont play it
why would you feel the need to rant and rage about a video game like this ?
just play something else
Well, if no one ever voices their opinion, then developers wouldn't know what to improve on.

I think for ArmA 4, they should put more effort into their single player. Arma 2's campaign maybe unplayable, but in Arma 3, the same kind of carelessness runs through it. Sure, their scripts work in Arma 3, for the most part. The AI in Arma 3 though has rocks for brains, which ruins the campaign experience.

Originally posted by k0ntorora:
ArmA CWA(or Operation Flashpoint) had better AI.
Sometimes in ArmA 2, you just can't control your team. Some of them stay where they are or get stuck targeting something.
I know, after beating Operatiom Flashpoint, it makes me wonder why BI couldn't have such decent AI with an easy command system to use while in combat.

I probably wouldn't complain so hard if the AI isn't so micro-heavy and unaware of whats going on.

In Arma 3 I have managed to gun down entire sqauds because they would stand there and do nothing... Or they would snap shoot you in the head out of no where...

Arma 2 suffers similar problems, but it makes me wonder why Arma 3 AI is still somehow nonexsistant...

The devs aren’t gonna read or care about a cry baby post from a new player over a game that’s over 6 years old
Especially when most people enjoy the game
Gumbo Slice Oct 13, 2018 @ 8:47am 
Originally posted by zer⊙L⊙gìÇ:
The devs aren’t gonna read or care about a cry baby post from a new player over a game that’s over 6 years old
Especially when most people enjoy the game
You make a lot of assumptions don't you? ... Well, if thats true then there is no need to bother me, I am sure you got better things to do...
Envy The Dead Oct 17, 2018 @ 10:12pm 
your review is 6 years too late lol
most people enjoyed this game and a lot still do
you are way late to the party man
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Kitsune Ado Oct 18, 2018 @ 1:07am 
the game is not broken and it doesn´t have bad performance for gaming pc of 4000U$D, i have at max graphics and it goes to stable 60 fps, it´s campaing it´s not glitch, it´s your pc that didn´t downloaded the game correctly (or it´s you that you play with addons in the campaing), the AI can be modified with simple scripts.

im playing arma since 2015 and i have more than 1100hs in the game. i know how it works, why it can´t go more than 100 fps.
Gumbo Slice Oct 18, 2018 @ 3:39pm 
Originally posted by zer⊙L⊙gìÇ:
your review is 6 years too late lol
most people enjoyed this game and a lot still do
you are way late to the party man
Yeah, and I am sure BI is done with it. If you ask me, BI is 6 years too late... All that time and they never once patched the campaign or fixed the AI.

I am sure most people enjoyed the game, even I used to love it.... Its just BI's neglect to fix the major issues that makes me sour.

I am also seeing yet again with Arma 3, just less so... At least they were spot on with making the game optimized and good looking. Also they made the game mechanics work pretty well and the campaign is serviceable. The only issue with A3 is the AI and the scripting engine with legacy issues... Other then that I think they did pretty well with A3.

Originally posted by アウグスト EmilianoAZ:
the game is not broken and it doesn´t have bad performance for gaming pc of 4000U$D, i have at max graphics and it goes to stable 60 fps, it´s campaing it´s not glitch, it´s your pc that didn´t downloaded the game correctly (or it´s you that you play with addons in the campaing), the AI can be modified with simple scripts.

im playing arma since 2015 and i have more than 1100hs in the game. i know how it works, why it can´t go more than 100 fps.
I don't use addons, if you just google around or just look here, I see a lot of people who also found the campaign to be unplayable. I am far from the only one who experiences these issues.

Also, I have made a point before that AI shouldn't be reliant entirely on mods, it should have been patched by the game devs themselfs to be decent. Actually, with Arma 3, AI mods still didn't save it really... This why I urge BI to crackdown on their scripting and AI problems.
Gumbo Slice Oct 18, 2018 @ 3:43pm 
I really hope though with their new Enfusion engine, Arma 4 wont have so many legacy issues, and possibly much better at being optimized.

With the possibility of having half decent AI.

After all these years, I think Arma 4 is gonna be the first one I sit out on before buying.
Envy The Dead Oct 18, 2018 @ 4:41pm 
Originally posted by Wilbur Cobb:
I really hope though with their new Enfusion engine, Arma 4 wont have so many legacy issues, and possibly much better at being optimized.

With the possibility of having half decent AI.

After all these years, I think Arma 4 is gonna be the first one I sit out on before buying.
All games get better each time a new version is made
Not sure why you are making such a stink about a game that’s been out for over 6 years
You make yourself look foolish with all of this
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