Omnitron-U Variant Unlock Discussion

[Nethyr]

Originally posted by MigrantP:

Here are the official full conditions to unlock Omnitron-U:

Defeat regular Omnitron with Omnitron-X and Unity on the team; neither of them may be incapacitated. Then, defeat Cosmic Omnitron with Omnitron-X and Unity on the team; Omnitron-X must be incapacitated, but Unity may not be incapacitated. Then, defeat any villain with Unity and without Tachyon or Omnitron-X on the team. Construction Pylon, Modular Workbench, Scrap Metal, Supply Crate, and Volatile Parts must be in play. Robot Reclamation must be played at least once.

[Midnight XLII]

And now for some Random Statistics I didn't know where to categorise

Bot Healing

• Its not required to restore any health on any of the bots, as Setback didn't restore any during his entire match
  
  Card draws
  
• Setback's Unity drew 33 Cards
  
• Canadian's Unity drew 38 Cards
  
• Rad's Unity drew 31 Cards
  
• Haribo's Unity drew 37 Cards
  
• Deej's Unity drew 36 Cards
  
• Psycho's Unity drew 48 Cards
  
  Card plays
  
• Setback's Unity played 26 cards
  
• Canadian's Unity played 34 cards
  
• Rad's Unity played 26 cards
  
• Haribo's Unity played 25 cards
  
• Deej's Unity played 25 Cards
  
• Psycho's Unity played 39 cards

[Midnight XLII]

Originally posted by LockeNKant:

http://pastebin.com/zr9TTth7

No Unlock with having played every unity card at least once. This is where I have done a pregame with Unity and X but X did not play singularity or self sabotage. I am also playing with Legacy to see if that is a preventer. Played against Akash'bhuta and used the takedown self destruct combo to lock her out.

I don't think I have the energy/focus to do another pregame where I use self sabotage. But I am thinking self sabotage factors into the unlock purely off the flavor text alone.

Legacy is not a preventer it seems, as Psycho managed to unlock Unitron while having a Legacy on team.

Originally posted by ABCoLD 35:

I will chime in that I've hit most of these conditions after having defeated Regular Omni w/Self Sabotage with Omni-X as the only defeated hero. No unlock yet. Going to do a match vs Omni-II and attempt more tests.

That could be because theres more data we simply haven't got to collating yet, such as how many of the equipment cards they played lasted until the end of the game for each successful unlock. We'll keep looking in all the logs though, the clues have to be in there somewhere.





Also, just to let everyone know, I've edited my first post in this thread (top of page one) to include links to each of my Collation and Comparion posts for the six successful unlocks, so you dont have to go scrolling through all the pages to find them if you need them

[Kerredai]

No unlock.

First game: Omnitron-X, America's Greatest Legacy, Unity, Dark Visionary and Freedom Six Wraith vs Cosmic Omnitron in the Block. Self-Sabotage was played, Technological Singularity was played, Omni-X was the only incapped hero.

http://pastebin.com/AZBwCpEC

Second game: The Argent Adept, Sky-Scraper, Chrono-Ranger, Unity and Dark Visionary vs Baron Blade in the Block. Unity ended the game with ten bots in play, one of each equipment, and had played both Robot Reclamation and Inspired Repair.

http://pastebin.com/7DZtzv1v

Not really sure what I did differently from the folks getting the unlock, but so it goes.

[young.haribo]

Originally posted by Kerredai:

No unlock.

First game: Omnitron-X, America's Greatest Legacy, Unity, Dark Visionary and Freedom Six Wraith vs Cosmic Omnitron in the Block. Self-Sabotage was played, Technological Singularity was played, Omni-X was the only incapped hero.

http://pastebin.com/AZBwCpEC

Second game: The Argent Adept, Sky-Scraper, Chrono-Ranger, Unity and Dark Visionary vs Baron Blade in the Block. Unity ended the game with ten bots in play, one of each equipment, and had played both Robot Reclamation and Inspired Repair.

http://pastebin.com/7DZtzv1v

Not really sure what I did differently from the folks getting the unlock, but so it goes.

I notice that when you played Robot Reclamation, you didn't move any Golem cards from your trash to your deck. That may be the deciding factor.

If you're willing, try setting up the same conditions, but this time putting 1 Golem in your deck with Robot Reclamaition. If that doesn't work, try again with 1 additional Golem reclaimed. Repeat until you unlock the variant or you reclaim 5 Golems, then report what you did.

Edit: never mind: Rad didn't reclaim any Golems in his unlock game.

[Nethyr]

I would say we have a good opportunity to compare Anrita and Kerredai's logs with Rad Thunder's unlock logs and play spot the difference. While we can't be certain that the first of Rad's pair was truly the prereq game, considering he had no luck until it, I'd say there's a good chance.

[LockeNKant]

Beginning some rounds of testing. Point of focus for me right now is addressing this theorized condition:

-A prerequisite game involving defeating Cosmic Omnitron (or possibly regular Omnitron) with Omnitron-X (and possibly Unity) is highly likely to be necessary. It is highly likely Ommi-X needs to be the only hero incapacitated. All unlocks seem to have involved Omni-X playing Self-Sabotage during this prerequisite game

Pregame goal:
Omnitron (regular) vs TLT, Greatest Legacy, Tempest, OmnitronX, and Unity at Insula Primalis. I will focus on OmnitronX playing Self-Sabotage and winning the game with just X incapped.

EDIT:
Game with self sabotage and omni-x as the only incap. *NOTE* Self sabotage did not hit omnitron(regular).

http://pastebin.com/dvCSS1QP

Moving on to my Akash'bhuta set up game.
EDIT2:
http://pastebin.com/DJNwEir9
*NO UNLOCK*
Akash'Bhuta vs TLT, Dark Visionary, Greatest Legacy, Argent Adept, and Unity at Mars Wagner Base.

I'm pretty sure I played every unity card at least once and used workbench once.

Next step is going back to a pregame against cosmic, unless someone has noticed something I haven't been doing in my unlock games.

[Dethkite]

Not sure how to find my game log, but I did unlock Omnitron-U! First game: Cosmic Omnitron in Wagner Mars Base with Omnitron-X, Unity, America's Greatest Legacy, ChronoRanger, and Ra. At some point, played Self-Sabotage, destroyed three components, damaged Cosmitron with them, but did not kill him. Then, had Unity's bots beat up on Omni-X. During the round Omni-X went down, I took out Cosmitron. No one else was incapped.

Second game: Gloomweaver in the Block vs. Argent Adept, America's Greatest Legacy, Haka, Unity, and Dark Visionary. Unity had a lot of bots out (but not all), and AA let her play a lot of cards. When I defeated Gloomweaver (on Unity's turn), Unity had at least one copy of all her equipments in play.

[LockeNKant]

Originally posted by Dethkite:

Not sure how to find my game log, but I did unlock Omnitron-U! First game: Cosmic Omnitron in Wagner Mars Base with Omnitron-X, Unity, America's Greatest Legacy, ChronoRanger, and Ra. At some point, played Self-Sabotage, destroyed three components, damaged Cosmitron with them, but did not kill him. Then, had Unity's bots beat up on Omni-X. During the round Omni-X went down, I took out Cosmitron. No one else was incapped.

Second game: Gloomweaver in the Block vs. Argent Adept, America's Greatest Legacy, Haka, Unity, and Dark Visionary. Unity had a lot of bots out (but not all), and AA let her play a lot of cards. When I defeated Gloomweaver (on Unity's turn), Unity had at least one copy of all her equipments in play.

Bring up your file explorer. Check under your view option and select/check hidden items to show hidden folders. Now find your (C:) drive and open the drive up. You should see a folder titled Users, open that file. Inside the Users file you should find the user name you are using on the computer, open that folder. Inside this folder you should see a translucent folder titled AppData, open this folder. Inside the AppData folder you should see another folder titled LocalLow, open this folder. Inside this folder you will see another folder titled Handelabra Games Inc_, open this folder. You will see a folder titled Sentinels, open this. Once inside this sentinels folder you will want to scroll through the files until you see one titled log, open this using wordpad/scratchpad/Word. You should now be able to see your most recent game. Select all, copy, and then paste this log at the site pastebin. Post your pastebin to get a url and copy that url back here for data collection. :)

[Dethkite]

Ok...here goes! http://pastebin.com/Z4VrE2X6

[LockeNKant]

Did a new pregame using sabotage on Cosmic making sure X is the only one down.

http://pastebin.com/gKymVGrC

Moving on to another unlock attempt.

No unlock recreating the same conditions as my previous unlock attempt.

http://pastebin.com/LSDK6PPi

Perhaps I need to self sabotage and then let cosmitron incap X. Has anyone done a pregame where they incapped X through the heroes and not the villain?

Also has anyone managed the unlock with Tachyon on the team?

I'm trying to narrow our field here and Tachyon might be a condition due to story reasons.

[Deej-O-Matic]

I didn't have a Tachyon in either my setup game or my unlock game. And when I incapped X, it was a hero who incapped him (or Bot, I don't remember.) Others have, in the pre-game, have Omnitron-X incap himself with Self-Sabotage, which would fall under the hero incap field and also in the "didn't hit villain Omnitron 1/2 with Self-Sabotage" field.


Also in a random observation, all the setup games seem to be against Cosmitron instead of regular Omnitron.

[Setback]

I had Omni-X incap himself with my Self-Sabotage in my game against Cosmic Omnitron

[Deej-O-Matic]

Also as a random musing, has everyone who unlocked Omnitron-U gotten the ACHIEVEMENT for unlocking Cosmic Omnitron?

Would definately bump this up to "hardest unlock" if thats' a requirement, since it'd be the only unlock that actively requires the unlock achievement from a different unlock. Skinwalker Gloomweaver technically doesn't need the acheivement.

[Midnight XLII]

Just got myself into a nice stall-game; with Ambuscade cloaked so immune, and Visionary+Legacy covering the heroes with a Twist the Ether/Lead from the Front/Next Evolution combination to make the heroes untouchable as well.

Used the stalemate to drag the game on for as long as I could, so I could test a bunch of theories.

Unity Drew 111 cards.
Unity played between 80-90 cards.
All One Shots (except Flash forge, which is known to be not required) were played 10+ times
Construction pylons played 9 times
Scrap metal, Modular Workbenches, and Volatile Parts were all on the field twice, and were never destroyed through the whole game
Every Bot was on the field at least once, possibly at least twice
Scrap metal removed a Bot 18 times
Bots dealt just shy of 200 damage
Unity herself dealt over 50 damage (inc. Volatile Parts)
Bots were healed a total of 20+ HP (even though setback proved Bot healing is not neccessary)


So from all that my theory is.... I've messed up the pre-req game somehow. Cos surely, barring a time-limit/speed achievement I covered every single base possible. As I also made sure to only use characters, villains, and environments used in successful unlocks.

And so I'm stumped... in preperation for all my testing I did Self Sabotage and Singularity Villan-Ko's, Self Sabotage self-Ko's, Self Sabotages that destroyed all six enemy components, ones that destroyed all 8 hero components, ones that destroyed all 14... and each of the above against both Omnitron and Cosmitron with Unity present every time, but still no luck unlocking Unitron...

Anyone got any advice on a pregame combination I haven't tried yet?

[young.haribo]

Originally posted by Deej-O-Matic:

Also as a random musing, has everyone who unlocked Omnitron-U gotten the ACHIEVEMENT for unlocking Cosmic Omnitron?

Would definately bump this up to "hardest unlock" if thats' a requirement, since it'd be the only unlock that actively requires the unlock achievement from a different unlock. Skinwalker Gloomweaver technically doesn't need the acheivement.

I can confirm that I got the Cosmic Omnitron achievement. I don't know about the other players.

Another possibility is that both versions of Omnitron must be defeated before Omnitron-U can be unlocked. That possibility can be tested after all other factors have been determined for other unlock conditions.

Originally posted by Banksy XLII:

Anyone got any advice on a pregame combination I haven't tried yet?

How about winning a game against Omnitron using Omni-X, where Omni-X is not incapacitated, then winning a match against Cosmitron where Omni-X is the only incapacitated hero?