Rapier any good?

[Winicjusz]

Hey,

Just finished game as Hexer&Pyromancer characters.
I look for new playstyle.

Rapier any good? With what should i mix it to get good results early-late game ? :)

[Penis Lord]

Not only good but they are also considered "♥♥♥♥♥♥" in PVP alongside with Katana due to their long *poke* range.

You can watch this guide for early + weapon, the weapon in the video is also a Rapier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVcLXCya70Y.

[Winicjusz]

Originally posted by Penis Lord:

Not only good but they are also considered "♥♥♥♥♥♥" in PVP alongside with Katana due to their long *poke* range.

You can watch this guide for early + weapon, the weapon in the video is also a Rapier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVcLXCya70Y.

Hey :D
Just before posting i watched this op rapier guide, that's why i've made this post.
Mostly i did gs/ultra gs runs due to large dmg/poise breaking and it's fun to use :D

Long run with rapier is valiable ? or maybe Katanas works better? :D

[Castyles]

It's one of the best weapons in the game. Try to get the Ice Rapier, though, which is much better than the regular one.

[Winicjusz]

Originally posted by Castyles:

It's one of the best weapons in the game. Try to get the Ice Rapier, though, which is much better than the regular one.

dlc stuff, might be hard to get early D;

[Hiroshi]

Well, "early" as in as early as you can get into the dlc. Otherwise it's just a few more hits to kill things as long as you focus on basic agl and stuff.

[Enderspoons]

The rapier is so good that speedrunners use practically nothing else. Slap a Gold Pine Resin on it, activate the Red Tearstone Ring, nothing comes close to the raw DPS power of spamming heavy pokes.

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by Penis Lord:

Not only good but they are also considered "♥♥♥♥♥♥" in PVP alongside with Katana due to their long *poke* range.

It's not due to their "poke range". It's because they have high counter-damage, which is broken in DSII. DSII combat is just spacing and whiff punish. You can easely hit for 600-800 damage on counter hits with those weapons, rivaling ultras (over 1k with the Chaos Blade and the right build), but much faster and more difficult to punish.

The Rapier itself isn't the best thrusting sword, but by far the most efficient one, which is why it's the perfect challenge run weapon.
The DPS you can get with RoB/Flynn's/Leo at only 12 DEX is absurd. The reason, why speedrunners use this one (among the Mace as a backup, which also only needs 12 STR) is overall consistency as a result of it's overall stats and damage-type. Thrust-type damage less resisted overall in PvE, slash-type, which is why you don't see the Uchigatana used in top-speedruns. Strike is even less resisted, but often on slow, high req weapons, which is why some like to have a Mace as backup (usually only 100% speedruns, which don't skip Iron Keep).

[Winicjusz]

I get all of that, but what's funniest build to have it ? :D
I already played as hexer and pyromancer, tried miracles but they are useless as ♥♥♥♥ (outshined by other forms of magic-based builds)

Sorcerer with rapier would be okay? :)

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by Winicjusz:

Sorcerer with rapier would be okay? :)

Rapier is always okay, especially if you want to keep DEX low. as you should've guessed from all the replies.

Ice Rapier would be better though, since you'll have access to buffs as a caster. Buffs scale with the weapon's base AR, which is often higher infused. The Ice Rapier barely loses physical damage infused, so it's perfect for caster builds. This is also the reason, the Ice Rapier in particular is considered OP. With Crystal Magic Weapon, Flynn's, Old Leo Ring and infused, you'll hit for ~800 damage on counter hits against most non-DLC enemies.

[Winicjusz]

Im not yet familiar with parry ripose technique :<

But i'll try ice rapier

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by Winicjusz:

Im not yet familiar with parry ripose technique :<

I'm not talking about parrying. I'm talking about hitting your opponent, after they whiff an attack. When you dodge an enemy attack and then attack, while they still recover, you'll deal a counter-hit for extra damage. Those are most of your attacks vs bosses. For most thrusting swords, this will be 40% extra damage + another ~12% with Old Leo Ring.

[Winicjusz]

Lmaooooo!!!!!
I always though Leo Ring only works when you parry+ripose enemies D:

Dude you're my saviour :D

[Winicjusz]

I'm saying that, because DS2 Wiki is outdated piece of crap

[JellyPuff]

I dunno what wiki you're reading, but i'd stick to the DSII Wikidot. Most info there is accurate. Spellbuff info is outdated (especially on Magic and Flame Weapon), but they acknowledge that.

The crit-damage ring always was "Hornet's Ring" in souls-games, but DSII doesn't have that one.

[jonis69]

Try doing a Faith build + rapier infused with lightning. I really like Faith builds, especially in DS2.

Early game you'll be doing fine, but late game you'll be doing tons of damage! It's a really cool build.