Darklurker?

[sjeggy6]

is darklurker a reference to the diablo series? i mean it looks a lot like malthael. is there some lore about it?

[TrueArchery]

Dark Souls and Diablo? I don't think so.
I know there are tons of references between all the Blizzard-games, but I'm sure From Soft didn't make any other references except Berserk.

[sjeggy6]

Originally posted by Archer:

Dark Souls and Diablo? I don't think so.
I know there are tons of references between all the Blizzard-games, but I'm sure From Soft didn't make any other references except Berserk.

but look at him! he looks just like the angels!

[Morsk]

It's mostly the hood, and a lot of DkS2 enemies have hoods with no head inside. Could be a coincidence. It's not as if its wings are ribbons of light.

[Reoden]

I had a feeling you were being silly when I had no clue which angel you're talking about and I've played the Diablo series up to Diablo 3.. and sure enough he's from the D3 expansion. So you're asking if fromsoft modeled their boss as reference to a Diablo character that hadn't been released yet? I'm guessing no. :P

Maybe it could be a reference to a dark version of Tyrael, which I guess that is what Malthael is, but Darklurker doesn't really look like that (Tyrael's most distinctive feature being his wings and Darklurker having more typical angel wings). He's really a kinda generic looking "dark angel" archetype imo.

[sjeggy6]

Originally posted by Reoden:

I had a feeling you were being silly when I had no clue which angel you're talking about and I've played the Diablo series up to Diablo 3.. and sure enough he's from the D3 expansion. So you're asking if fromsoft modeled their boss as reference to a Diablo character that hadn't been released yet? I'm guessing no. :P

Maybe it could be a reference to a dark version of Tyrael, which I guess that is what Malthael is, but Darklurker doesn't really look like that (Tyrael's most distinctive feature being his wings and Darklurker having more typical angel wings). He's really a kinda generic looking "dark angel" archetype imo.

he looks like the general angel, the wings and all though he has most similarities with malphael. the style of wings, the hood is really alike

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by sjeggy6:

Originally posted by Reoden:

I had a feeling you were being silly when I had no clue which angel you're talking about and I've played the Diablo series up to Diablo 3.. and sure enough he's from the D3 expansion. So you're asking if fromsoft modeled their boss as reference to a Diablo character that hadn't been released yet? I'm guessing no. :P

Maybe it could be a reference to a dark version of Tyrael, which I guess that is what Malthael is, but Darklurker doesn't really look like that (Tyrael's most distinctive feature being his wings and Darklurker having more typical angel wings). He's really a kinda generic looking "dark angel" archetype imo.

he looks like the general angel, the wings and all though he has most similarities with malphael. the style of wings, the hood is really alike

He just looks like a fallen angel.
I think drawing connections to Diablo just because of this fact is kinda exaggerated.

[sjeggy6]

Originally posted by Archer:

Originally posted by sjeggy6:

he looks like the general angel, the wings and all though he has most similarities with malphael. the style of wings, the hood is really alike

He just looks like a fallen angel.
I think drawing connections to Diablo just because of this fact is kinda exaggerated.

possibly, i do not look up fallen angels often but just the style of appearel reminds me of both malphael and those impaled angels

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Archer:

but I'm sure From Soft didn't make any other references except Berserk.

Are you talking about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-uuR9B1gjQ

To be honest it is just grasping for straws. I have not seen any real refrences to Berserk in Dark Souls. You need to remember that Dark Souls isn't a JRPG, its a western RPG made in Japan. Ofc Berserk and Dark Souls are going to have things that look similar because they draw water from the same source, and the concept of some things are fairly well established. If I say "bull/goat demon" to you do you think of some kind of huge minotaur with big horns? Well just because Dark Souls have the Taurus Demon and Capra Demon and Berserk have something like it doesn't mean Dark Souls reference Berserk. Its actually that both are refrences to the Minotaur story from ancient greece which means they are not referencing each other.

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Originally posted by Archer:

but I'm sure From Soft didn't make any other references except Berserk.

Are you talking about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-uuR9B1gjQ

To be honest it is just grasping for straws. I have not seen any real refrences to Berserk in Dark Souls. You need to remember that Dark Souls isn't a JRPG, its a western RPG made in Japan. Ofc Berserk and Dark Souls are going to have things that look similar because they draw water from the same source, and the concept of some things are fairly well established. If I say "bull/goat demon" to you do you think of some kind of huge minotaur with big horns? Well just because Dark Souls have the Taurus Demon and Capra Demon and Berserk have something like it doesn't mean Dark Souls reference Berserk. Its actually that both are refrences to the Minotaur story from ancient greece which means they are not referencing each other.

Actually I never saw that video. I mean for example the armor in Dark Souls 1: It was pretty easy to do a Golden Age Guts Cosplay. Take the Greatsword + the fitting armor and it's a perfect cosplay.

EDIT: I saw the video. 1/2 pretty much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but some things could be true. I still think there are Berserk references.

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Archer:

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Are you talking about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-uuR9B1gjQ

To be honest it is just grasping for straws. I have not seen any real refrences to Berserk in Dark Souls. You need to remember that Dark Souls isn't a JRPG, its a western RPG made in Japan. Ofc Berserk and Dark Souls are going to have things that look similar because they draw water from the same source, and the concept of some things are fairly well established. If I say "bull/goat demon" to you do you think of some kind of huge minotaur with big horns? Well just because Dark Souls have the Taurus Demon and Capra Demon and Berserk have something like it doesn't mean Dark Souls reference Berserk. Its actually that both are refrences to the Minotaur story from ancient greece which means they are not referencing each other.

Actually I never saw that video. I mean for example the armor in Dark Souls 1: It was pretty easy to do a Golden Age Guts Cosplay. Take the Greatsword + the fitting armor and it's a perfect cosplay.

Doesn't mean its a reference. Golden age guts isn't exactly very unique looking, that is why it is easy to cosplay because it isn't very unique. Try to cosplay Vincent and it will be much harder because he doesn't have very common looking clothing. Something easy to replicate =/= as a reference. I think the Dragon Bone Smasher from Demon Souls is more a reference then anything in DS1 or DS2 combined.

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Archer:

EDIT: I saw the video. 1/2 pretty much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but some things could be true. I still think there are Berserk references.

Such as?

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Originally posted by Archer:

EDIT: I saw the video. 1/2 pretty much ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but some things could be true. I still think there are Berserk references.

Such as?

Balder Armor & the Greatsword (compare it to Demon's - there it looks like a Zweihander) comes to my mind right now.
But anyways, you've another opinion and I'm fine with that, just don't try to persuade me of it.

[Dr. Faustus]

Originally posted by sjeggy6:

Originally posted by Archer:

Dark Souls and Diablo? I don't think so.
I know there are tons of references between all the Blizzard-games, but I'm sure From Soft didn't make any other references except Berserk.

but look at him! he looks just like the angels!

Dark Souls II came out before Reaper of Souls,

[Reoden]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Are you talking about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-uuR9B1gjQ

To be honest it is just grasping for straws. I have not seen any real refrences to Berserk in Dark Souls. You need to remember that Dark Souls isn't a JRPG, its a western RPG made in Japan. Ofc Berserk and Dark Souls are going to have things that look similar because they draw water from the same source, and the concept of some things are fairly well established. If I say "bull/goat demon" to you do you think of some kind of huge minotaur with big horns? Well just because Dark Souls have the Taurus Demon and Capra Demon and Berserk have something like it doesn't mean Dark Souls reference Berserk. Its actually that both are refrences to the Minotaur story from ancient greece which means they are not referencing each other.

Yeah some of those things in the video like the Catarina armor and bonewheels may be references, but there's also a lot of common fantasy tropes or mythological archetypes that are just pretty standard stuff. Minotaurs, dragons, and goat demons are nothing unique. A lot of fantasy armor is going to look like a lot of other fantasy armors. I believe Miyasaki said he was heavily influened by western fantasy and frankly a lot of the enemies in these games are not very unique to these games or that anime. Zombies and dragons aren't exactly fresh concepts.

And back to the Darklurker, hooded angels aren't exactly rare specimens either. Run a google search for that and you'll find quite a lot of results from quite a few time periods. Darklurker's most distinctive feature is really probably his double set of arms which makes him a bit more unique, but that's also nothing that hasn't been seen before. Take a look at Hindu mythology and you'll find no shortage of things will mutliple sets of arms.

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Archer:

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Such as?

Balder Armor & the Greatsword (compare it to Demon's - there it looks like a Zweihander) comes to my mind right now.
But anyways, you've another opinion and I'm fine with that, just don't try to persuade me of it.

I can't agree with Balder Armor, it is just a plain design that looks like alike because Guts have a plain design as well. The greatsword might be the closest but the design of Guts sword is pretty much only a massive piece of iron with a handle so having something like that doesn't make it a reference. You need to actually make a reference and not just make something look alike in plainness for it to be a reference. Also why should they keep the greatsword model if they actually have a Zweihander in the game?