Sunlight blade scaling?

[Mortis]

I wonder if sunlight blade (buff) damage is scaling with faith?

[adarazrad]

when weapons are not infused SLB gives 50 flat lightning damage

if weapon is infused with lightning it will add 50 flat, then on top of that 30% additional scaling, and since scaling comes off faith, yeah lightning infused weapons with SLB scales off faith, but if your going to buff uninfused weapon, then no

[Dovahkiin NR]

Originally posted by adarazrad:

when weapons are not infused SLB gives 50 flat lightning damage

if weapon is infused with lightning it will add 50 flat, then on top of that 30% additional scaling, and since scaling comes off faith, yeah lightning infused weapons with SLB scales off faith, but if your going to buff uninfused weapon, then no

that's incredibly balanced

[mdcpaladin]

Originally posted by Dovahkiin NR:

Originally posted by adarazrad:

when weapons are not infused SLB gives 50 flat lightning damage

if weapon is infused with lightning it will add 50 flat, then on top of that 30% additional scaling, and since scaling comes off faith, yeah lightning infused weapons with SLB scales off faith, but if your going to buff uninfused weapon, then no

that's incredibly balanced

thats incredible sarcasm. Resonant Weapon is even stronger, which i LOOOOOVE! wrecks fools all day with it

[40+13x-3=17x-363]

The only "scaling" for buffs is the duration.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FjSwM_ax2VdMl4tcwUDeyXE989SmYBrcI1MKWUe4800/edit#gid=1794686460

[TrueArchery]

As said, the more lightning damage your weapon has the more effective will be sunlightblade.
Since your weapon's lighning damage scales with faith, the buff will "scale" with faith.
btw, higher faith means longer duration of the buff.

[CloudSeeker]

Weapon buff doesn't scale in damage.

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Weapon buff doesn't scale in damage.

Indirect it does: Higher Lightning damage of your weapon -> SLB becomes more efffective. The Lightning damage scales with your faith stat, so the buff scales indirect with your faith. Plus higher faith means longer duration.

[Reoden]

Originally posted by I am the liquor:

Originally posted by Dovahkiin NR:

that's incredibly balanced

thats incredible sarcasm. Resonant Weapon is even stronger, which i LOOOOOVE! wrecks fools all day with it

That's an incredible waste of souls for nearly the same damage as Dark Weapon. x)

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Reoden:

Originally posted by I am the liquor:

thats incredible sarcasm. Resonant Weapon is even stronger, which i LOOOOOVE! wrecks fools all day with it

That's an incredible waste of souls for nearly the same damage as Dark Weapon. x)

Once you get 15k souls per win and win 4/5 matches, you don't care

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Archer:

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Weapon buff doesn't scale in damage.

Indirect it does: Higher Lightning damage of your weapon -> SLB becomes more efffective. The Lightning damage scales with your faith stat, so the buff scales indirect with your faith. Plus higher faith means longer duration.

That is incorrect. The sunlight blade does not increase any stats on the weapon. The maths for the sunlight blade is the following:

[(Weapon's original lightning damage + 50) x 1.25]= lightning damage output

There is no faith parameter here apart from the weapons normal lightning damage. The scaling you see is the weapons scaling and not the spells scaling. The only thing faith does on this spell is its durration.

Faith:
10 = 26s
20 = 30s
30 = 50s
40 = 70s
50 = 90s
54 = 97s

Remember that if there isn't a parameter for the faith stat in the spell it doesn't scale on faith in damage. The math needs to look something like this to scale with faith:

[(Weapon's original lightning damage + Faith) x 1.25] = lightning damage output.

What you see is a multiplier, and a multiplier can never indirectly scale with anything because that isn't how a multiplier works.

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Originally posted by Archer:

Indirect it does: Higher Lightning damage of your weapon -> SLB becomes more efffective. The Lightning damage scales with your faith stat, so the buff scales indirect with your faith. Plus higher faith means longer duration.

That is incorrect. The sunlight blade does not increase any stats on the weapon. The maths for the sunlight blade is the following:

[(Weapon's original lightning damage + 50) x 1.25]= lightning damage output

There is no faith parameter here apart from the weapons normal lightning damage. The scaling you see is the weapons scaling and not the spells scaling. The only thing faith does on this spell is its durration.

Faith:
10 = 26s
20 = 30s
30 = 50s
40 = 70s
50 = 90s
54 = 97s

Remember that if there isn't a parameter for the faith stat in the spell it doesn't scale on faith in damage. The math needs to look something like this to scale with faith:

[(Weapon's original lightning damage + Faith) x 1.25] = lightning damage output.

What you see is a multiplier, and a multiplier can never indirectly scale with anything because that isn't how a multiplier works.

You got me completely wrong buddy... let's do this step by step again.

Faith will increase a weapons lightning damage if this weapon has a lightning scaling.
The higher faith, the higher your overall lightning damage.
SLB adds flat 50 Lightning damage and increases your total lightning damage by 25%.
Sooo you can say the buff adds more damage the higher your faith is -> "indirect scaling"

got it?

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Archer:

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

That is incorrect. The sunlight blade does not increase any stats on the weapon. The maths for the sunlight blade is the following:

[(Weapon's original lightning damage + 50) x 1.25]= lightning damage output

There is no faith parameter here apart from the weapons normal lightning damage. The scaling you see is the weapons scaling and not the spells scaling. The only thing faith does on this spell is its durration.

Faith:
10 = 26s
20 = 30s
30 = 50s
40 = 70s
50 = 90s
54 = 97s

Remember that if there isn't a parameter for the faith stat in the spell it doesn't scale on faith in damage. The math needs to look something like this to scale with faith:

[(Weapon's original lightning damage + Faith) x 1.25] = lightning damage output.

What you see is a multiplier, and a multiplier can never indirectly scale with anything because that isn't how a multiplier works.

You got me completely wrong buddy... let's do this step by step again.

Faith will increase a weapons lightning damage if this weapon has a lightning scaling.
The higher faith, the higher your overall lightning damage.
SLB adds flat 50 Lightning damage and increases your total lightning damage by 25%.
Sooo you can say the buff adds more damage the higher your faith is -> "indirect scaling"

got it?

Didn't you read what I say in the end? At no point does the spell actually scale with faith, its a multiplier. A multiplier can't scale if it is a static multiplier. Regardeless of what your faith is the spell will always behave the same. Sure the outcome might differ but the spell is still static. It doesn't scale indirectly because that means that the very function of the spell have to change. If you have a multiplier that doubles whatever X is the multiplier doesn't scale with whatever X is, the only thing it does is to multiply what it is given and nothing more.

To say the spell scale is false, that you even call it "indirect scaling" shows that you know it is a false statement because it is a MULTIPLIER!

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Originally posted by Archer:

You got me completely wrong buddy... let's do this step by step again.

Faith will increase a weapons lightning damage if this weapon has a lightning scaling.
The higher faith, the higher your overall lightning damage.
SLB adds flat 50 Lightning damage and increases your total lightning damage by 25%.
Sooo you can say the buff adds more damage the higher your faith is -> "indirect scaling"

got it?

Didn't you read what I say in the end? At no point does the spell actually scale with faith, its a multiplier. A multiplier can't scale if it is a static multiplier. Regardeless of what your faith is the spell will always behave the same. Sure the outcome might differ but the spell is still static. It doesn't scale indirectly because that means that the very function of the spell have to change. If you have a multiplier that doubles whatever X is the multiplier doesn't scale with whatever X is, the only thing it does is to multiply what it is given and nothing more.

To say the spell scale is false, that you even call it "indirect scaling" shows that you know it is a false statement because it is a MULTIPLIER!

Actually this is such a pointless discussion.

You know what I mean. I DO know that it is a multiplier. But the way I described it shows that it's worth it to increase your faith bc slb will multiply a higher amount of damage. -> indirect, you know? I never said that increasing faith will increase SLB's damagebonus directly.

[CloudSeeker]

Originally posted by Archer:

Originally posted by CloudSeeker:

Didn't you read what I say in the end? At no point does the spell actually scale with faith, its a multiplier. A multiplier can't scale if it is a static multiplier. Regardeless of what your faith is the spell will always behave the same. Sure the outcome might differ but the spell is still static. It doesn't scale indirectly because that means that the very function of the spell have to change. If you have a multiplier that doubles whatever X is the multiplier doesn't scale with whatever X is, the only thing it does is to multiply what it is given and nothing more.

To say the spell scale is false, that you even call it "indirect scaling" shows that you know it is a false statement because it is a MULTIPLIER!

Actually this is such a pointless discussion.

You know what I mean. I DO know that it is a multiplier. But the way I described it shows that it's worth it to increase your faith bc slb will multiply a higher amount of damage. -> indirect, you know? I never said that increasing faith will increase SLB's damagebonus directly.

Then I have to say you fail to point that out and discribe it in the wrong way. You should say it correctly to avoid confusion. What you should say if you want to point out that having high faith is better then low should be more like:

SB is a multiplier that multiply the weapons lightning damage. The more the weapon scales with your faith the higher the result from the multiplier becomes.

Just cut the cr*p by saying that indirectly scales because that is just misleading. SB doesn't scale in anyway which is why it doesn't matter what catalyst you use to cast it, to say it have any scaling at all when it doesn't do not help anyone. If you want to point out your faith matters you do it in the wrong way by saying it scales.

[Mortis]

If weapon isn't infused outcome dmg from sunlight blade will be the same with 36 or 50 faith (faith doesn't matter without lightning infuse weapon)?
I'm new in DS 2, sorry.