Power stance PVE

[Sir Psycho]

So this is my first play-through and I'm doing a dex build. Right now for dual wield I have an Uchi in the right hand and a Fire Long Sword in the left.

I want to swap one for the Estoc, the sweet sweet Estoc. Which should I replace?

[KarBer]

What's great in this game - you got multitude of options. You got strength based spears, strength based katanas. Dex based greatswords. What's putting me off? The movesets are copy pasted (in most cases), like most katanas share the moveset. With the exception of blacksteel, bewitched alonne sword and chaos blade. The first DS had some crazy movesets - like the black knight weapons.

[terrorinsc]

..does.. does powerstancing two poisoned or bleed infused weapons mean double the poison or bleed build up? You could probbaly one shot poison everything with 2 spotted whips poisoned infused... hmm

[Sir Psycho]

Publicado originalmente por KarBer:

What's great in this game - you got multitude of options. You got strength based spears, strength based katanas. Dex based greatswords. What's putting me off? The movesets are copy pasted (in most cases), like most katanas share the moveset. With the exception of blacksteel, bewitched alonne sword and chaos blade. The first DS had some crazy movesets - like the black knight weapons.

Haven't played enough to notice. I just recently got the game.

I have a rule about not buying games unless they are 75% and close to $10. Hell I only got DS1 when 2 came out. But DS3 was announced and I'm pretty sure I'll buy that fairly soon after release and I really wanted to play this one. Oh and fallout 4 was an exception, although that might not have been the best decision.

[Sir Psycho]

Publicado originalmente por terrorinsc:

..does.. does powerstancing two poisoned or bleed infused weapons mean double the poison or bleed build up? You could probbaly one shot poison everything with 2 spotted whips poisoned infused... hmm

Slave driver build incoming.

[terrorinsc]

Publicado originalmente por Sir Psycho:

Publicado originalmente por terrorinsc:

..does.. does powerstancing two poisoned or bleed infused weapons mean double the poison or bleed build up? You could probbaly one shot poison everything with 2 spotted whips poisoned infused... hmm

Slave driver build incoming.

I LOVE using whips.. they just go through their durability waay to fast.

[TrueArchery]

Publicado originalmente por terrorinsc:

..does.. does powerstancing two poisoned or bleed infused weapons mean double the poison or bleed build up? You could probbaly one shot poison everything with 2 spotted whips poisoned infused... hmm

One L2 and a random other attack usually inflicts poison.

Back to OP: first, don't use bleed or poison melee weapons in PvE - it's not worth it.
Second, powerstancing DEX weapons does not give you many benefits. Usually you're better off with a 2h weapon. And you lose your low stamina consumption, powerstanced attacks drain tons of stamina, it's a percentage I believe (I tested it a bit with the Lost Sinners Swords: about 10+ R1s, but only 3 L2 L1s, it's not much different with DEX weapons.

And the Estoc is not as good as the Rapier/Espada Ropera because it has less counter damage. The R2 slash is useless in PvE, you can mash R1 and the unreal tracking develops a huge hitbox degree.

[Sir Psycho]

Publicado originalmente por TrueArchery:

Publicado originalmente por terrorinsc:

..does.. does powerstancing two poisoned or bleed infused weapons mean double the poison or bleed build up? You could probbaly one shot poison everything with 2 spotted whips poisoned infused... hmm

One L2 and a random other attack usually inflicts poison.

Back to OP: first, don't use bleed or poison melee weapons in PvE - it's not worth it.
Second, powerstancing DEX weapons does not give you many benefits. Usually you're better off with a 2h weapon. And you lose your low stamina consumption, powerstanced attacks drain tons of stamina, it's a percentage I believe (I tested it a bit with the Lost Sinners Swords: about 10+ R1s, but only 3 L2s, it's not much different with DEX weapons.

And the Estoc is not as good as the Rapier/Espada Ropera because it has less counter damage. The R2 slash is useless in PvE, you can mash R1 and the unreal tracking develops a huge hitbox degree.

Cool, I usually went for regular upgrades in DS1 anyway. The only infused weapon I have on this first character is the fire LS cause it was easily accessible and damn good early on.

[Sir Psycho]

Publicado originalmente por terrorinsc:

Publicado originalmente por Sir Psycho:

Slave driver build incoming.

I LOVE using whips.. they just go through their durability waay to fast.

Well not sure where/when you get the spotted whip but I'd assume repair powder becomes more common later in the game so it shouldn't be an issue, right?

[TrueArchery]

Publicado originalmente por Sir Psycho:

Publicado originalmente por terrorinsc:

I LOVE using whips.. they just go through their durability waay to fast.

Well not sure where/when you get the spotted whip but I'd assume repair powder becomes more common later in the game so I shouldn't be an issue, right?

In the Shrine of Amana. So you can already buy unlimited Repair Powders in the Drangleic Castle.

[Sir Psycho]

Publicado originalmente por TrueArchery:

Publicado originalmente por Sir Psycho:

Well not sure where/when you get the spotted whip but I'd assume repair powder becomes more common later in the game so I shouldn't be an issue, right?

In the Shrine of Amana. So you can already buy unlimited Repair Powders in the Drangleic Castle.

There we go.

[terrorinsc]

Publicado originalmente por Sir Psycho:

Publicado originalmente por terrorinsc:

I LOVE using whips.. they just go through their durability waay to fast.

Well not sure where/when you get the spotted whip but I'd assume repair powder becomes more common later in the game so it shouldn't be an issue, right?

.. that is true.. the character I would like to try it on is currently getting her butt whupped by the easiest boss in the game: vendrick.

[Sir Psycho]

Publicado originalmente por terrorinsc:

Publicado originalmente por Sir Psycho:

Well not sure where/when you get the spotted whip but I'd assume repair powder becomes more common later in the game so it shouldn't be an issue, right?

.. that is true.. the character I would like to try it on is currently getting her butt whupped by the easiest boss in the game: vendrick.

Really? Easier than The Last Giant? He was a joke.

Even the Gaping Dragon in DS1 was tougher... sort of.

[[Lethalvriend]]

Whips do work in PvE but you should definetely get a bracing knuckle ring and keep it on at all times. On top of that you will need multiple whips (or an alternative weapon) because there are plenty of sections in the game where their durability won't hold up even with the ring. You can only powerstance whips with whips.

[TrueArchery]

Publicado originalmente por Lethalvriend:

You can't powerstance whips though.

wrong.


I recommend carrying the spell "repair" with you. 1 slot, low requirements, you can even spice it down to 10 INT and it's more efficient than Powders.

[Sir Psycho]

Publicado originalmente por Lethalvriend:

Whips do work in PvE but you should definetely get a bracing knuckle ring and keep it on at all times. On top of that you will need multiple whips (or an alternative weapon) because there are plenty of sections in the game where their durability won't hold up even with the ring. You can't powerstance whips though.

Yeah I've noticed. I tired to power stance a whip and long sword. They also seem fairly slow, don't have the greatest AR and their moveset is far from imaginative but they look badass.