Bone Fist: trash of a weapon besides style?

[Artek [General]]

I really want to like that weapon. I really do. Two-Handed stance (which is actually one-handed stance since you know... you use only one fist) looks extremealy badass. However... I'm really dissapointed in stats.

The damage is not that great. Like, at all. WIth 50/50 DEX/STR Bone Fist +5 Deals 244 damage (20+224) while Caestus +10 deals 290 (90+201).

I guess Poise Damage was supposed to be a good advantage (30, twice of Caestus) but it's still not enough. If it was 50... I mean, considering how ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ long attacks are and that you are open for a counter attack for quiet a long time before you can dodge. And if those 30 poise damage wont stun an enemy... Well then.

The only good thing i can see about this weapon is a high durability and the fact that you only lose 20 damage when it breaks making it a weapon that can be usefull even when broken. But let's be honest - who needs that?

I'm thinking about to try out later to combine bone fist with Ring Of Blades and Stone Ring (+50 damage, +30 poise damage) maybe then it will be worth it, but without that - i really fail to see the point.

And i'm aware of dual-fisting stance and the range attack, but right now i'm ignoring the fact of it's existence because i refuse to use it until i will have 2 bone fists +5 (because reasons). Which will not happen soon.

[Mohl]

You're just using them wrong then.

Bone fist is a great weapon, you just need to bait people with it more than the others.

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by Mohl:

You're just using them wrong then.

Bone fist is a great weapon, you just need to bait people with it more than the others.

I was talking about PvE though. And it kinda sucks there. At least against the habitants of Eleum Loyce.

[Mohl]

Originally posted by Artek General:

Originally posted by Mohl:

You're just using them wrong then.

Bone fist is a great weapon, you just need to bait people with it more than the others.

I was talking about PvE though. And it kinda sucks there. At least against the habitants of Eleum Loyce.

In that case, just grab an ice rapier or something.

Some weapons are only useful in PVP, including the bonefist.

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Artek General:

Originally posted by Mohl:

You're just using them wrong then.

Bone fist is a great weapon, you just need to bait people with it more than the others.

I was talking about PvE though. And it kinda sucks there. At least against the habitants of Eleum Loyce.

What do you expect from fist weapons? Great damage? Stunlock to oblivion?

They're fast and have low weight, they've fast recovery times and are made for a more agile playstyle. You hit a few times, you dodge, you hit again etc.

So yeah, you're probably using it wrong. Some attacks have knockdown btw. Many humanoid enemies can be slammed on the floor.

[NisseDood]

Fist weapons in in pvp...
When I see that I just know Im gonna get wrecked by someone who is actually skillful.

[Shironagi]

I use Bone Fist for my PVE and i don't bother swapping out, Equip the Stone Ring, Ring of Blades, Third Dragon Ring and Chloranthy Ring, pop some green Blossoms and go whale on everything. The fact it has no reach is made up with it's poise damage, hell you can take on an ogre if your adept at dodge. Not to mention that against armored foes it's almost as good as the maces (at least to me) and hell if you feel like long ranging you can just hadouken, this thing will kick the crap outta the bigger foes. (Iron King + Hadouken = Iron Dead King)

[Nelyeth]

Yeah, let's just ignore the single greatest asset of the Bone Fist, the 150 counter damage. Seriously, if you're trying to compare two weapons' DPS, don't just look at the AR.

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Nelyeth:

Yeah, let's just ignore the single greatest asset of the Bone Fist, the 150 counter damage. Seriously, if you're trying to compare two weapons' DPS, don't just look at the AR.

The Bone Fist is slower than powerstanced Caesti though.

[Shironagi]

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

Originally posted by Artek General:

I was talking about PvE though. And it kinda sucks there. At least against the habitants of Eleum Loyce.

What do you expect from fist weapons? Great damage? Stunlock to oblivion?

They're fast and have low weight, they've fast recovery times and are made for a more agile playstyle. You hit a few times, you dodge, you hit again etc.

So yeah, you're probably using it wrong. Some attacks have knockdown btw. Many humanoid enemies can be slammed on the floor.

The only weapon where "I CAME IN LIKE A WREEECKING BALL" is applicable.

Love just leap kicking enemies off cliffs and that Hadouken is tough as hell, it's gonna be better on the less mobile foes and bosses than the speedy ones (lost sinner primarily) but it's a solid weapon ^^

Also Eleum Loyce is a screwy place as is. It's like it flips the typical weakness over on it's head. Slashing weapons seem to do better than strike and thrust.

[Shironagi]

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

Originally posted by Nelyeth:

Yeah, let's just ignore the single greatest asset of the Bone Fist, the 150 counter damage. Seriously, if you're trying to compare two weapons' DPS, don't just look at the AR.

The Bone Fist is slower than powerstanced Caesti though.

I love that slower powerstancing means you can align your attack and if you time it your foe will come running at you just as you let rip allowing you to kill them fast.

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Shironagi:

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

The Bone Fist is slower than powerstanced Caesti though.

I love that slower powerstancing means you can align your attack and if you time it your foe will come running at you just as you let rip allowing you to kill them fast.

But in PvE it's just worse. The Caesti have higher AR, 130 counter which is still pretty good, consume no stamina, are faster, are easier to get and to upgrade.

[Artek [General]]

Originally posted by Nelyeth:

Yeah, let's just ignore the single greatest asset of the Bone Fist, the 150 counter damage. Seriously, if you're trying to compare two weapons' DPS, don't just look at the AR.

I simply never understood what that stat is. It something like counter attack, but what activates it? Taking damage? Quick block? What? If i can't use it without losing part of my health / putting myself into great risk then might as well not need it at all. I'm the type of player that prefers to avoid being damaged at all costs.

[Dark-Master.Barbzilla]

I can usually rape with a bone fist in my right hand and a cestus in my left (gives you a fast way to setup an interrupt). So I wouldn't say is a trash weapon, ust that you have to take some time to practice with it.

[HolyOne]

Originally posted by Artek General:

Originally posted by Nelyeth:

Yeah, let's just ignore the single greatest asset of the Bone Fist, the 150 counter damage. Seriously, if you're trying to compare two weapons' DPS, don't just look at the AR.

I simply never understood what that stat is. It something like counter attack, but what activates it? Taking damage? Quick block? What? If i can't use it without losing part of my health / putting myself into great risk then might as well not need it at all. I'm the type of player that prefers to avoid being damaged at all costs.

counter is a damage multiplier applied when you attack somebody mid-animation, like attack and recoveries.
it's the reason you don't trade with katanas.

[Barf]

Never be without your trusty stone ring. And more so if you are doing PvE. Them poise monkeys will do anything to roll out of your attacks. I use UGS weapons and I still use stone ring. Screw you Armorer Dennis who can roll out of my attacks with nothing but robes on. Eat my Zwei + stone ring and suffer!!!!