Dark Santier's Spear?

[BinSoBad]

Hey all, my first post here and want to start a character to finally beat the game with. I was really hoping to be able to make a good hexer using the santiers spear and infusing it with dark but would that be the best way to go about it if I have good faith and int and dark weapon buff to use on it or would raw still be the best despite the added scaling for dark?

Also, how should I go about leveling her? Should I go for my 22INT/20FAI first to use the staff and get the hexer armor or should I go for 10str/22dex to two hand the weapon then get my int and faith to use hexs and get the armor set then get my str to 20 to be able to one hand? Would a raw santiers spear or dark santiers spear be better for most of the game?

What would you all do? I really like the spear and hope that it would be better than raw and hope somene can help me decide how to level her, obviously going with deprived for max customization purposes but help on when to take what stats and how to start the character would be amazing! Thank you so much for any info you all have!

Your fellow Dark Souls enthusiast,
Slick

[TrueArchery]

The Santier's Spear has no scaling at all (edit: looked it up in the wiki, it says is has a "C" if you infuse it, but that's still near to nothing). Dark is better if you perma-buff it, Raw is better if you don't do that plus you can buff it with Resins (iirc) to add elemental damage depending on the enemies' and bosses' weaknesses. But honestly it's not that much of a difference.

It's a mid-to-late-game item, so if you don't rush you don't have to worry about your stats as you'll have enough levels to use both hexes and the spear at that point.

[dobs]

It's really only good because of its move set. I tried to push it as well but it just isn't strong enough with dark. I use dark silverblack spear instead and it does better damage than the santier's spear. However, the ss has unlimited durability so i use it whenever I need to take down poison statues in the black gulch or with the annoying stones in the undead crypt

[Dusk of Oolacile]

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

It's a mid-to-late-game item

You serious? It has extremely low AR even RAW, the only case it can be useful is buff stacking. See glass cannon builds...

[Deadly.Crystal.Lizard]

Originally posted by Dusk of Oolacile:

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

It's a mid-to-late-game item

You serious? It has extremely low AR even RAW, the only case it can be useful is buff stacking. See glass cannon builds...

wat?

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Dusk of Oolacile:

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

It's a mid-to-late-game item

You serious? It has extremely low AR even RAW, the only case it can be useful is buff stacking. See glass cannon builds...

You get it in Door of Pharros, a location many players visit last or 2nd-last. At least in their first playthrough. -> Mid-late-game

What's even the relation between your post and the passage you quoted? I was referring to the location where you get it and you're talking about the damage (which is not even THAT bad, but there are better alternatives for sure, but since OP said he likes the spear I wasn't suggesting better weapons).

[LitteralFish]

Originally posted by Faith+One:

Originally posted by Dusk of Oolacile:

You serious? It has extremely low AR even RAW, the only case it can be useful is buff stacking. See glass cannon builds...

wat?

Low AR ? It deals 400 damage with ring of blades , and it has decent counter damage. It is a good weapon. Not meta , but you can use it effectevely in PvP . Speacially onehanded moveset.

[BinSoBad]

Am going to try to use it anyways with dark infuse and dark weapon buffs, will let you know how it does. Currently working on getting my dex to the required 22 now....This is what I have so far:

MY HEX BUILD SCREENSHOT

[TrueArchery]

[Normal: 350 AR - ignore this, it's worse than Raw in every way]
Raw: 385 AR
Dark: 175/175 AR

With RoB+2 you get a +50 on the Raw one and a +25 on the Dark one.
R: 435 AR
D: 200/175 AR

With RoB+2 & Flynn's Ring additional 50 for both versions if you have not more tha 14 VIT (9 with 3rd Dragon Ring)
R: 485 AR
D: 250/175 AR

I don't know how much bonus-AR you get with the Dark Clutch Ring for the Dark version, I guess it's around 30, but let's ignore that.

With Dark Weapon (+50 flat Dark, all Dark muliplied with x1.25) casted on it, you get:
R: 485/62.5 AR = 547.5 AR
D: 250/281.25 = 531.25 AR + a bit in Dark as I didn't count the "C"-scaling

So, after all the maths: RAW POWER IS THE WAY TO GO!
You aren't dependant on the buff in that way, too, plus you can use resins which have a 1.3x muliplier and don't require the weapn-buff-slot.

[BinSoBad]

Would Sacred Chime Hammer be a better investment? Looks fun as hell and its a strike weapon so I think I will have fun with it :D good weapon?

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Sirius:

Would Sacred Chime Hammer be a better investment? Looks fun as hell and its a strike weapon so I think I will have fun with it :D good weapon?

Yes

[Aldrakir]

Back in my day dark santier's spear was the most broken ♥♥♥♥ in this game. Break that rock off, make it raw, put a buff on, and you had the most broken weapon in the game. That was the good ol' days

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Desmond:

Back in my day dark santier's spear was the most broken ♥♥♥♥ in this game. Break that rock off, make it raw, put a buff on, and you had the most broken weapon in the game. That was the good ol' days

Mundane was even better than raw for it back then. Aaaaand fromsoft saw people having fun and nerfed the ♥♥♥♥ out of mundane. RIP Mundane Santier and Mundane Avelynn.

[xanraal]

Originally posted by Serenity:

Would Sacred Chime Hammer be a better investment? Looks fun as hell and its a strike weapon so I think I will have fun with it :D good weapon?

sacred chime hammer, dark infused is a much better investment imo.. my +5 dark infused sits at 829 AR with nothing else added. it's 40 str. also has some inbuilt hex spell attack done when 2handed on the R2 button but as i've always got a catalyst in my off hand, i've not used it in combat. just played with it in majula. it looked good lol. personally i'd take a sacred chime hammer dark infused, over a santiers'. i've got the santiers', can't remember the gimmick with that.. is that the spear that has different move sets or am i thinking of pate's or some other spear entirely.. ? no not pate's.. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol

[Makiya Kasunri]

Originally posted by xanraal:

Originally posted by Serenity:

Would Sacred Chime Hammer be a better investment? Looks fun as hell and its a strike weapon so I think I will have fun with it :D good weapon?

sacred chime hammer, dark infused is a much better investment imo.. my +5 dark infused sits at 829 AR with nothing else added. it's 40 str. also has some inbuilt hex spell attack done when 2handed on the R2 button but as i've always got a catalyst in my off hand, i've not used it in combat. just played with it in majula. it looked good lol. personally i'd take a sacred chime hammer dark infused, over a santiers'. i've got the santiers', can't remember the gimmick with that.. is that the spear that has different move sets or am i thinking of pate's or some other spear entirely.. ? no not pate's.. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol

when you first get it it has lame moveset but when you break break the weapon ( break the rock on it basically) and two hand it it gets a moveset of the twinblades

[xanraal]

Originally posted by Blood Queen Serenity:

Originally posted by xanraal:

sacred chime hammer, dark infused is a much better investment imo.. my +5 dark infused sits at 829 AR with nothing else added. it's 40 str. also has some inbuilt hex spell attack done when 2handed on the R2 button but as i've always got a catalyst in my off hand, i've not used it in combat. just played with it in majula. it looked good lol. personally i'd take a sacred chime hammer dark infused, over a santiers'. i've got the santiers', can't remember the gimmick with that.. is that the spear that has different move sets or am i thinking of pate's or some other spear entirely.. ? no not pate's.. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol

when you first get it it has lame moveset but when you break break the weapon ( break the rock on it basically) and two hand it it gets a moveset of the twinblades

there ya go! cheers Blood Queen mate.