seriously need help with lud,zallen

[Disco.]

my SM is 2.8m
cant find any summon other than npc
please help, they are the last thing left for this playthrough
want to finish

[Vinyltavia]

ill see if i got someone for ya.

[Dragobrath]

I was able to beat them alone. Just don't summon anyone or banish phantoms with black separation crystal before the fog gate. (the fight will get harder if you have summons when entering the fog gate)
Key is to max out your damage and have a lot of stamina. These cats are less resistant to fire, so use coal pine resin and brightbug.
When you see zallen get into the combat - go berserk on lud and try to finish him off before Zallen gets close. Hardest part of combat is fighting the two of them together. Once there is only one cat - it's easy. Just mind the delayed paw swipe. When Zallen is regenerating health, his defenses are up as well, so if your damage is not high enough, just dodge his attacks until regen is complete.
Good luck.

[Disco.]

yah, my char is a pure caster
but dont have enough dmg/time to burst the first cat
very few opening
and when i got hit, too low health, stam, stability to recover
i think this fight is actually easier doing melee
been trying for a few hours now
im going crazy!!

[Rathnaga]

Erm.... I think you could summon me with the name ring... i'll go toss a sign down here in a minute and let u know

[Rathnaga]

Got a Kremmel sign down at the coffin if u wanna give it a shot

[Vinyltavia]

Originally posted by Rathnaga:

Got a Kremmel sign down at the coffin if u wanna give it a shot

give me a second be there soon.

[Vinyltavia]

sign's down outside the coffin in this frozen wasteland.
Gohtsfred.

[Disco.]

its okay
i just beat them
thanks guys

[Rathnaga]

cool gj

[Vinyltavia]

never got summoned D:

[Dragobrath]

While waiting for you I was summoned like 5 times, got to L&Z twice, defeated them once. Productive hour %)