freaking estoc...

[Grognak]

Hello,

Playing Dark Souls II SoTFS with an estoc (favorite in all souls games) i noticed that it completes lacks in physical damage. I've got 50 str and i upgraded it to +10, yet the damage is seriously low. Would you guys suggest dumping all the str points into fth and just going with lightning infusion? P.S. I've got 355 AR with it.

[Vilnius]

depends on what you want. The estoc for me is a support weapon. Something to stun lock those faster mobs.

If you are caster first, melee second like myself. Go Faith / int and give it an elemental infusion.

[ThePresident]

use espada ropera

[Pyramid Bread]

355 AR from a weapon that weighs 2 units and you are complaining?

[KoalafiedKiller]

Use the old leo ring and go for counter attacks, that'll give you a nice boost in your damage.

If you want pure physical damage to be maxed out you also need to use the Ring of Blades and the Flynn ring.

[Grognak]

Originally posted by w.samways (Vilnius):

depends on what you want. The estoc for me is a support weapon. Something to stun lock those faster mobs.

If you are caster first, melee second like myself. Go Faith / int and give it an elemental infusion.

Well, i intend to use it in pvp, but unless i R1 spam, there's no way i can win, since most of my hits are around 200. Can you confirm your AR with an estoc?

[Pyramid Bread]

Against certain enemy types that wear heavy armor (eg. the old knights @ heides, ironclad soldiers @ the forest and iron keep), thrust weapons do reduced damage.

[TrueArchery]

Estoc is in the top 3 pvp weapons with the longsword and the battle axe.

Literally git gud. Why should a small light thrusting sword hit for much more than 200? Simply don't go for trades but outplay your opponent. You've a fast weapon with fast recoveries and a varied moveset. Take advantage of that.

[Grognak]

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

Estoc is in the top 3 pvp weapons with the longsword and the battle axe.

Literally git gud. Why should a small light thrusting sword hit for much more than 200? Simply don't go for trades but outplay your opponent. You've a fast weapon with fast recoveries and a varied moveset. Take advantage of that.

Varried moveset? The only thing that comes to mind is the vertical slash, but other than that thrusts, thrusts, thrusts... BTW is it somehow possible to fix the awful tracking of the weapon?

[Megaweapon]

Originally posted by Grognak:

Varried moveset? The only thing that comes to mind is the vertical slash, but other than that thrusts, thrusts, thrusts... BTW is it somehow possible to fix the awful tracking of the weapon?

You could always lock on.

[Fashionbeast]

Originally posted by Grognak:

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

Estoc is in the top 3 pvp weapons with the longsword and the battle axe.

Literally git gud. Why should a small light thrusting sword hit for much more than 200? Simply don't go for trades but outplay your opponent. You've a fast weapon with fast recoveries and a varied moveset. Take advantage of that.

Varried moveset? The only thing that comes to mind is the vertical slash, but other than that thrusts, thrusts, thrusts... BTW is it somehow possible to fix the awful tracking of the weapon?

Thrusting weapons profit from playing with lock-on.
The 1HR2 is very nice. It has shield pierce against turtles. Nice range.
Different poke speeds 1H and 2H so you don't get parried into oblivion in pvp.

I don't really know, what you exspect more? DS3 V1.0 "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥-Bestoc"?

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Fashionbeast:

Originally posted by Grognak:

Varried moveset? The only thing that comes to mind is the vertical slash, but other than that thrusts, thrusts, thrusts... BTW is it somehow possible to fix the awful tracking of the weapon?

Thrusting weapons profit from playing with lock-on.
The 1HR2 is very nice. It has shield pierce against turtles. Nice range.
Different poke speeds 1H and 2H so you don't get parried into oblivion in pvp.

I don't really know, what you exspect more? DS3 V1.0 "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥-Bestoc"?

Well said. Pretty much this.

[Fashionbeast]

The only disappointing thing is, that DS2 made this weapon STR focused :(
I have to take the weeaboo r1-spam rapier for any dex-ish build.

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Fashionbeast:

The only disappointing thing is, that DS2 made this weapon STR focused :(
I have to take the weeaboo r1-spam rapier for any dex-ish build.

RiP Sharp Estoc Demons Souls

[Grognak]

Originally posted by Fashionbeast:

Originally posted by Grognak:

Varried moveset? The only thing that comes to mind is the vertical slash, but other than that thrusts, thrusts, thrusts... BTW is it somehow possible to fix the awful tracking of the weapon?

Thrusting weapons profit from playing with lock-on.
The 1HR2 is very nice. It has shield pierce against turtles. Nice range.
Different poke speeds 1H and 2H so you don't get parried into oblivion in pvp.

I don't really know, what you exspect more? DS3 V1.0 "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥-Bestoc"?

Well, i just thought i was missing something cause people with lightning blade buffs etc. on estocs used to outdamage me, if a trade was in place, but now i figure it might have been due to old leo ring...

Anyways, thanks for clearing it up for me bros. Cheers

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Grognak:

Originally posted by Fashionbeast:

Thrusting weapons profit from playing with lock-on.
The 1HR2 is very nice. It has shield pierce against turtles. Nice range.
Different poke speeds 1H and 2H so you don't get parried into oblivion in pvp.

I don't really know, what you exspect more? DS3 V1.0 "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥-Bestoc"?

Well, i just thought i was missing something cause people with lightning blade buffs etc. on estocs used to outdamage me, if a trade was in place, but now i figure it might have been due to old leo ring...

Anyways, thanks for clearing it up for me bros. Cheers

It's due to the fact that elemental damage is affected by counter-damage. That means also buffs profit from counters.