Magic in DS2 is more buffed than in DS1 and 3

[Big Bruno]

Like not just in power but in everything else. First the binoculars are more of your scope rather than a useless item like in DS1 and 3. Second the fact that your arrow flies straight instead of down maies casting spells more easy, especially in frisky situations. But I also feel like this game is tailored more toward hybrid builds or magic users altogether. The ganks, especially in Cave of the Dead, were not nearly as annoying since I used magic. Also beat both smelter demons and the gargoyles using mainly magic. If I just used melee I probably would have rage quit. But thats just me.

[JellyPuff]

DS1 magic is definitely way stronger (especially the dark-magic from the DLC) even if you can't aim them with Binos.
I mean it's still super strong in PvE in DSII (especially the Yearn-sorcery and nuke spells, like Crystal Soul-Spear), but in DS1, spells are just broken all around. Not even magic specifically. For instance, you can stunlock Artorias with Combustion.

in DS3 not so much. It's still good, but people got spoiled with OP spells so hard since DeS, that it makes them look useless by comparison.

[Clail]

The variety is definently better than the other games. For all types of magic including faith and pyro's

Melee is still fun, I like to do hybrid builds personally.

[Senki]

idk I was doing some crazy damage with it in DS1 as well. the one in DS3 sucks tho

[Paradox]

It'd be very hard to make it as strong in DS3, relatively, without the entire game just being a joke, because of the ridiculous weapon speeds/spam.

And, ya, in DS2 hybrids are basically expected. Which makes fights more interesting, because not only do you have to think about the weapons, but how they are going to combo them with whatever spells they have.

[Big Bruno]

Yeah and also the ganks. Mainly No Man's Warf, the clown car ganks just before the ruin sentinels, the gank squad before The Chariot, and Cave of the Dead and Iron Passage. But Cowboy just taught me to go hybrid instead of just melee.

[King Robert Baratheon]

Originally posted by Big Bruno:

Like not just in power but in everything else. First the binoculars are more of your scope rather than a useless item like in DS1 and 3. Second the fact that your arrow flies straight instead of down maies casting spells more easy, especially in frisky situations. But I also feel like this game is tailored more toward hybrid builds or magic users altogether. The ganks, especially in Cave of the Dead, were not nearly as annoying since I used magic. Also beat both smelter demons and the gargoyles using mainly magic. If I just used melee I probably would have rage quit. But thats just me.

While you are right about magic being much stronger in Dark Souls 2 (in every way) I doubt you beat Blue Smelter Demon with magic. He's immune to magic (what I call arcane magic, or blue sorceries) if I recall correctly. Or he at least takes very little damage from magic. But it's funny because Blue Smelter Demon does pure magic damage iirc so with the right armor setup (the full black witch set, but with the hood instead of the witch hat, fully upgraded) and the +3 magic resist ring you can also be basically immune to his attacks, lol.

[King Robert Baratheon]

Originally posted by Arti:

idk I was doing some crazy damage with it in DS1 as well. the one in DS3 sucks tho

Magic is strong in DS1 but the variety of spells is very limited. Also the casting animations are slow and uninspired. Every time I see a mage (my build or someone else's build) cast magic in DS1 I think that they're bored and are doing it out of necessity, not because they enjoy doing it. They literally just stand their, raise their staff in the air, and are like "plop...there goes my sorcery *yawn*".

Meanwhile in Dark Souls 2 the moment you lock onto an enemy with a staff equipped you're already in a battle stance. Then when you actually cast your sorcery (projectile ones) you lunge forward with determination and send off your sorcery like it's a damn laser-guided missile (and with the right stats and equipment that's what sorceries basically are, lol).

[CthuluIsSpy]

Originally posted by King Robert Baratheon:

Originally posted by Big Bruno:

Like not just in power but in everything else. First the binoculars are more of your scope rather than a useless item like in DS1 and 3. Second the fact that your arrow flies straight instead of down maies casting spells more easy, especially in frisky situations. But I also feel like this game is tailored more toward hybrid builds or magic users altogether. The ganks, especially in Cave of the Dead, were not nearly as annoying since I used magic. Also beat both smelter demons and the gargoyles using mainly magic. If I just used melee I probably would have rage quit. But thats just me.

While you are right about magic being much stronger in Dark Souls 2 (in every way) I doubt you beat Blue Smelter Demon with magic. He's immune to magic (what I call arcane magic, or blue sorceries) if I recall correctly. Or he at least takes very little damage from magic. But it's funny because Blue Smelter Demon does pure magic damage iirc so with the right armor setup (the full black witch set, but with the hood instead of the witch hat, fully upgraded) and the +3 magic resist ring you can also be basically immune to his attacks, lol.

He has really high magic resist but he's not immune.
He only deals pure magic damage in phase 3, but there's no way to gain immunity as resistances cap off at 90%, iirc.

[Paradox]

Originally posted by CthuluIsSpy:

Originally posted by King Robert Baratheon:

While you are right about magic being much stronger in Dark Souls 2 (in every way) I doubt you beat Blue Smelter Demon with magic. He's immune to magic (what I call arcane magic, or blue sorceries) if I recall correctly. Or he at least takes very little damage from magic. But it's funny because Blue Smelter Demon does pure magic damage iirc so with the right armor setup (the full black witch set, but with the hood instead of the witch hat, fully upgraded) and the +3 magic resist ring you can also be basically immune to his attacks, lol.

He has really high magic resist but he's not immune.
He only deals pure magic damage in phase 3, but there's no way to gain immunity as resistances cap off at 90%, iirc.

Huh? What do you mean no way to gain immunity?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkSouls2/comments/27ia5o/fire_walking_data/

[CthuluIsSpy]

Originally posted by Paradox:

Originally posted by CthuluIsSpy:

He has really high magic resist but he's not immune.
He only deals pure magic damage in phase 3, but there's no way to gain immunity as resistances cap off at 90%, iirc.

Huh? What do you mean no way to gain immunity?
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkSouls2/comments/27ia5o/fire_walking_data/

Huh, I read otherwise, must have been faulty info.

[King Robert Baratheon]

Originally posted by CthuluIsSpy:

Originally posted by King Robert Baratheon:

While you are right about magic being much stronger in Dark Souls 2 (in every way) I doubt you beat Blue Smelter Demon with magic. He's immune to magic (what I call arcane magic, or blue sorceries) if I recall correctly. Or he at least takes very little damage from magic. But it's funny because Blue Smelter Demon does pure magic damage iirc so with the right armor setup (the full black witch set, but with the hood instead of the witch hat, fully upgraded) and the +3 magic resist ring you can also be basically immune to his attacks, lol.

He has really high magic resist but he's not immune.
He only deals pure magic damage in phase 3, but there's no way to gain immunity as resistances cap off at 90%, iirc.

That's why I said you can be BASICALLY immune to his magic attacks, not literally immune.

[Big Bruno]

Originally posted by King Robert Baratheon:

Originally posted by Big Bruno:

Like not just in power but in everything else. First the binoculars are more of your scope rather than a useless item like in DS1 and 3. Second the fact that your arrow flies straight instead of down maies casting spells more easy, especially in frisky situations. But I also feel like this game is tailored more toward hybrid builds or magic users altogether. The ganks, especially in Cave of the Dead, were not nearly as annoying since I used magic. Also beat both smelter demons and the gargoyles using mainly magic. If I just used melee I probably would have rage quit. But thats just me.

While you are right about magic being much stronger in Dark Souls 2 (in every way) I doubt you beat Blue Smelter Demon with magic. He's immune to magic (what I call arcane magic, or blue sorceries) if I recall correctly. Or he at least takes very little damage from magic. But it's funny because Blue Smelter Demon does pure magic damage iirc so with the right armor setup (the full black witch set, but with the hood instead of the witch hat, fully upgraded) and the +3 magic resist ring you can also be basically immune to his attacks, lol.

Yeah I used my hexes. Knowing his blue color he be immune to regular magic so I just went with hexes and took him down with only a few tries. Mind you I also hit him with my twinblade a few times.

[King Robert Baratheon]

Originally posted by Big Bruno:

Originally posted by King Robert Baratheon:

While you are right about magic being much stronger in Dark Souls 2 (in every way) I doubt you beat Blue Smelter Demon with magic. He's immune to magic (what I call arcane magic, or blue sorceries) if I recall correctly. Or he at least takes very little damage from magic. But it's funny because Blue Smelter Demon does pure magic damage iirc so with the right armor setup (the full black witch set, but with the hood instead of the witch hat, fully upgraded) and the +3 magic resist ring you can also be basically immune to his attacks, lol.

Yeah I used my hexes. Knowing his blue color he be immune to regular magic so I just went with hexes and took him down with only a few tries. Mind you I also hit him with my twinblade a few times.

Well that changes things drastically. You can't just say you beat him with magic and expect us to think that you meant hexes. Magic is not a generalized thing in the Dark Souls. Magic specifically means those blue sorceries. You can call pyromancy, hexes, and miracles "typesof magic" but that would be wrong (especially calling miracles "magic" because that's basically heresy).

[Enderspoons]

Know your terminology:
Spell = an individual unit of casting: a Soul Arrow, a Fireball, a Lightning Spear, a Dark Orb
Magic = Sorcery
Lightning = Miracles
Fire = Pyromancy
Dark = Hexes

[King Robert Baratheon]

Originally posted by Enderspoons:

Know your terminology:
Spell = an individual unit of casting: a Soul Arrow, a Fireball, a Lightning Spear, a Dark Orb
Magic = Sorcery
Lightning = Miracles
Fire = Pyromancy
Dark = Hexes

This, and sometimes even I forget to use the right terms.