Raw Watcher Greatsword, Lightning Defenders Greatsword or Dark Blue Moon Greatsword?

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Which elemental Greatsword do you consider the strongest/best? I wasn't sure if there was a stronger dark option so I added the bluemoon to the list.

[Call Sign: Raven]

It will depend on your stats, if you use an infusion you will definitely need to boost the appropriate stat (FTH/INT) to see a difference.

For Watcher Greatsword, I actually use a Faint Stone, and boost my INT to 50-60, and get the other physical stats as high as possible that still offer scaling. Same with Defender Greatsword, just FTH instead. The Blue Moon GS I tend to just use Raw, as it has no scaling at all and that's been the best for me.

The Dark option would be the Crypt Blacksword, and you will DEFINITELY want to hit 30/30 INT/FTH and then infuse it with a Dark Night stone. In all cases, you will see some pretty insane damage from all the appropriate spell/self buffs!

Source: I have builds with all of these weapons right now, and I already did the appropriate damage testing with a standard, raw, and magic/lightning/dark infusion for each one. So if you have further questions, feel free to ask, because I can literally just hop on the appropriate character to check for you!

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Originally posted by Harrison Ford:

It will depend on your stats, if you use an infusion you will definitely need to boost the appropriate stat (FTH/INT) to see a difference.

For Watcher Greatsword, I actually use a Faint Stone, and boost my INT to 50-60, and get the other physical stats as high as possible that still offer scaling. Same with Defender Greatsword, just FTH instead. The Blue Moon GS I tend to just use Raw, as it has no scaling at all and that's been the best for me.

The Dark option would be the Crypt Blacksword, and you will DEFINITELY want to hit 30/30 INT/FTH and then infuse it with a Dark Night stone. In all cases, you will see some pretty insane damage from all the appropriate spell/self buffs!

Source: I have builds with all of these weapons right now, and I already did the appropriate damage testing with a standard, raw, and magic/lightning/dark infusion for each one. So if you have further questions, feel free to ask, because I can literally just hop on the appropriate character to check for you!

I agree the Crypt blacksword is the strongest Dark option that needs 30/30 to be its strongest... but that's an ultra Greatsword :p. I played around with both defenders and watcher swords and they hit like trucks.

Gonna test the bluemoon greatsword more though. I been planning on making a Magic+ 10 version with 14 strength and 10 intelligence for magic weapon just to see how much I can carry people at forest of the fallen giants as a sunbro lol. I just need to get the southern ritual band so I can use magic weapon and the repair spell because I know that thing can break quick.

[Call Sign: Raven]

Oh I see, you're going for a regular greatsword, not an ultra.

I think your idea for the 14/10 with magic weapon will be smartest, especially if you are intending to use it for low-level match making.

[King Robert Baratheon]

Originally posted by A Dirty Fart:

Which elemental Greatsword do you consider the strongest/best? I wasn't sure if there was a stronger dark option so I added the bluemoon to the list.

You do realize the Blue Moon Greatsword is the fake Moonlight Greatsword right? It has no scaling, very low durability, and a awkward moveset.

The only thing it has going for it is it's high base damage. I hope you meant the Moonlight Greatsword, but if you meant the BMGS, making it Raw is probably the best option.

https://darksouls.fandom.com/wiki/Bluemoon_Greatsword

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Originally posted by King Robert Baratheon:

Originally posted by A Dirty Fart:

Which elemental Greatsword do you consider the strongest/best? I wasn't sure if there was a stronger dark option so I added the bluemoon to the list.

You do realize the Blue Moon Greatsword is the fake Moonlight Greatsword right? It has no scaling, very low durability, and a awkward moveset.

The only thing it has going for it is it's high base damage. I hope you meant the Moonlight Greatsword, but if you meant the BMGS, making it Raw is probably the best option.

https://darksouls.fandom.com/wiki/Bluemoon_Greatsword

Regardless of its lore no matter what infusion path you create it can always be more powerful than the moonlight greatsword through its better 2hand moveset and being able to spell buff it.

Right now I am messing with a Dark +10 BMGS with flynn's ring and the AR is 574 which it would take the watcher and defender three rings to match " Flynn's Ring of Blades+2 and clutch rings".
The BMGS even with no scaling is not to be underestimated.

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by A Dirty Fart:

Regardless of its lore no matter what infusion path you create it can always be more powerful than the moonlight greatsword through its better moveset and being able to spell buff it.

They're still about on par, if you infuse MLGS with enchanted (if you infuse the Bluemoon Greatsword with raw, which is almost always better than dark, which most enemies resist by ~30%). Still has a bad 2H moveset and the laser will deal no damage, but at least it becomes a somewhat decent shield 2-handed. Both can reach the highest physical base AR of any greatswords with enchanted and raw respectively (~430).

I assume you're after a 39k build. If that's the case, use the Bluemoon Raw with RoB/Flynn's for ~530 AR and Flame Weapon It's about on par with Magic Weapon, but without any stat requirements. Dark infusion may be ever so slightly stronger, while the weapon is buffed (though i'd probably rather go with lightning, if the focus is on PvE/co-op). It will definitely be stronger with Dark Weapon, which should be possible at 39k, if you min/max with King's Crown/Rings. (even with 96 AGL, when using Simpleton's+Peasant set, though it might be cutting it close)

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Originally posted by JellyPuff:

Originally posted by A Dirty Fart:

Regardless of its lore no matter what infusion path you create it can always be more powerful than the moonlight greatsword through its better moveset and being able to spell buff it.

They're still about on par, if you infuse MLGS with enchanted (if you infuse the Bluemoon Greatsword with raw, which is almost always better than dark, which most enemies resist by ~30%). Still has a bad 2H moveset and the laser will deal no damage, but at least it becomes a somewhat decent shield 2-handed. Both can reach the highest physical base AR of any greatswords with enchanted and raw respectively (~430).

I assume you're after a 39k build. If that's the case, use the Bluemoon Raw with RoB/Flynn's for ~530 AR and Flame Weapon It's about on par with Magic Weapon, but without any stat requirements. Dark infusion may be ever so slightly stronger, while the weapon is buffed (though i'd probably rather go with lightning, if the focus is on PvE/co-op). It will definitely be stronger with Dark Weapon, which should be possible at 39k, if you min/max with King's Crown/Rings. (even with 96 AGL, when using Simpleton's+Peasant set, though it might be cutting it close)

Yea I'd never use dark infusion for 39k sunbro co-op, thats just for mid/high soul memory pvp lol.

I think in the long run flame weapons 10k soul cost would be too much to handle and since the repair spell will be a requirement for it I may as well just stick with magic infusion and magic weapon on it. Not to mention taking the build to get the ring of blades 2 would take quite a while :(. My Southern band combo will probably be Magic weapon repair and warmth for my teammates.

But this topic was more just to get opinions on which they thought was the better elemental greatsword between the 3 listed in the title. I am kinda guessing if this was 2014 or 2015 Defender Greatsword would be the top pick due to how common great magic barrier was back then but who knows.

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Also random question but does anybody have images of what the blue moon greatsword looks like when buffed with flame weapon and sunlight blade? If Crypt Black Sword is a purple pop I'd imagine Blue Moon Greatsword is a creamsicle.

[TrueArchery]

For low SM you should 100% take a Raw Watcher Greatsword, it slaps HARD and has low requirements and weight plus you can completely forgo Atn. Spellbuffs at 10 Int or Fth suck, their duration is nerfed a lot. And Flame Weapon is $$$.

GMB affects all types of elemental damage btw. This isn't DS1.

[Call Sign: Raven]

Originally posted by A Dirty Fart:

Also random question but does anybody have images of what the blue moon greatsword looks like when buffed with flame weapon and sunlight blade? If Crypt Black Sword is a purple pop I'd imagine Blue Moon Greatsword is a creamsicle.

I don't have pictures of it, but it looks pretty ugly while buffed with fire. Much prettier with lightning.

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Originally posted by TrueArchery:

For low SM you should 100% take a Raw Watcher Greatsword, it slaps HARD and has low requirements and weight plus you can completely forgo Atn. Spellbuffs at 10 Int or Fth suck, their duration is nerfed a lot. And Flame Weapon is $$$.

GMB affects all types of elemental damage btw. This isn't DS1.

GMB is rarely ever used these days unless you are pvping wayyyy over 1 mill soul memory which barely anybody outside of the blood cov pvp's at anymore it seems. I kinda agree the watcher greatsword is probably the overall best in terms weight and requirements. However that 15 intelligence requirement is a big message telling you to pair it with the repair spell for its many reasons. Getting this kind of weapon on a 39,999 soul memory build without an upgraded weapon would be no walk in the park though.

"Edit" just read and found out GMB also blocks out lightning and Fire "knew about dark though". Now I am really glad almost nobody uses it anymore lol.

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

Spellbuffs at 10 Int or Fth suck, their duration is nerfed a lot.

16INT (~1 minute duration) DW should be totally doable with any of the weapon's OP wants to use at low SM. Bluemoon is actually pretty brutal at low SM too in terms of damage. 430 pure physical base AR raw.

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Originally posted by JellyPuff:

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

Spellbuffs at 10 Int or Fth suck, their duration is nerfed a lot.

16INT (~1 minute duration) DW should be totally doable with any of the weapon's OP wants to use at low SM. Bluemoon is actually pretty brutal at low SM too in terms of damage. 430 pure physical base AR raw.

Hell even at high soul memory pvp a dark infused dark buffed BMGS is not to be underestimated as comboing the R1's usually result in no less than 1200+ damage and the R2 combo 1600-1700+. No idea why people say this weapon is weak tbh, thats why I have it ranked as one of the very best elemental greatswords.

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by A Dirty Fart:

No idea why people say this weapon is weak tbh,

Because when compared to higher tier weapons, it kinda is, especially in PvP, where greatswords kinda suck in general. In comparison, you'll get ~800 per hit with a hugely faster infused&buffed Ice Rapier 2HR1(unless it's PvP and the other guy menuswaps into elemental resistance or uses burrs/GMB, when they see you buff), because counter damage is completely broken.

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Originally posted by JellyPuff:

Originally posted by A Dirty Fart:

No idea why people say this weapon is weak tbh,

Because when compared to higher tier weapons, it kinda is, especially in PvP, where greatswords kinda suck in general. In comparison, you'll get ~800 per hit with a hugely faster infused&buffed Ice Rapier 2HR1(unless it's PvP and the other guy menuswaps into elemental resistance or uses burrs/GMB, when they see you buff), because counter damage is completely broken.

Yea there are lots of weapons I have on a list that I consider in the realm of "This feels wayy too cheesy to consider a win" Weapons

That list usually contains rapiers spears an Katanas for the most part.