Estus Flask

[LusketaBuceta]

estus flask is cool in pvp? if it has in the game is to use? (polemic)

[Yeti.^^]

If you summon someone to fight and you start chugging.. well.I can't really tell, 'cause i'd just get banned off the forum.

If someone invades you outside of iron keep, then you're free to do as you desire.

[Call Sign: Raven]

If the Estus is orange, you can drink it. It doesn't matter who or what is invading you or dueling you. If it's an option, you can use it. If it's greyed out, you can't use it. Keep it simple.

[Citizen of Zozo]

Estus drinking is slow in Dark Souls 2. It's such a risk in fact that I would say it's very likely to get you killed unless you really put some distance between you and the invader. Keeping that in mind... anything is fair game during an invasion. If you can heal, do it.

If it's a Fight Club or something... well then it's frowned upon to heal. The reason being that you're dragging things out and other people probably want to fight too.

[Greywander]

I've seen summon signs around Iron Keep before, so sometimes I'll summon someone for a fight. I don't think I've ever thought not to drink estus, though. Makes me think they should have a soapstone specifically for dueling, where no sin is incurred and healing is blocked for both players, perhaps among other differences. Isn't this basically what the Red Soapstone is for anyway?

[Boreal]

Originally posted by Greywander:

Makes me think they should have a soapstone specifically for dueling, where no sin is incurred and healing is blocked for both players

If you use the dragon eye, both the host and the Dragon Spirit will be able to heal with estus and other healing items, but a sign that prevented any healing would be better for sure.
Using estus in duels is really risky imo, because you will generally be close to your opponent since it's one-on-one and will get comboed or backstabbed, ending with less health than when you started drinking it, if you summon me again for a duel i will probably black crystal out.

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by Citizen of Zozo:

If it's a Fight Club or something... well then it's frowned upon to heal. The reason being that you're dragging things out and other people probably want to fight too.

IMO, if you get a heal-miracle off, i consider that fair game, since it's even more slow. I honestly have zero idea, why that would be frowned upon.
If you manage to pull it off in a proper duel, you've either earned it by outplaying your opponent or you use it to punish hyperpassive behavior (e.g. running away).

They run away to check their inventory for a Poison Moss to use, when i've poisoned them only to get mad, when i punish with a heal-miracle. Love those double standards. Even got someone max SL at arena mad that way.

[woldysz]

definitely not cool, in my opinion using Estus in PvP is a part of toxic behavior. exception is if you are invaded (i don't like when invaded player heal themself but i understand that and i can deal with it) or your enemy first start to healing during the battle. other than that it's just dirty and not honorable, Dragon Remnants who repadetly healing after summon are absolute noobs for me

[Iban The Dude]

Originally posted by woldysz:

definitely not cool, in my opinion using Estus in PvP is a part of toxic behavior. exception is if you are invaded (i don't like when invaded player heal themself but i understand that and i can deal with it) or your enemy first start to healing during the battle. other than that it's just dirty and not honorable, Dragon Remnants who repadetly healing after summon are absolute noobs for me

There was a time that 90% of the people who put dragon sign, were those who came from DS3 because they realized that invading, they can not use Estus XDDDDDDDD

[woldysz]

Originally posted by Iban The Dude:

Originally posted by woldysz:

definitely not cool, in my opinion using Estus in PvP is a part of toxic behavior. exception is if you are invaded (i don't like when invaded player heal themself but i understand that and i can deal with it) or your enemy first start to healing during the battle. other than that it's just dirty and not honorable, Dragon Remnants who repadetly healing after summon are absolute noobs for me

There was a time that 90% of the people who put dragon sign, were those who came from DS3 because they realized that invading, they can not use Estus XDDDDDDDD

man, i hate that... when i summon Dragon guys i always have crystal soul spear prepared in healing emergency

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by woldysz:

Originally posted by Iban The Dude:

There was a time that 90% of the people who put dragon sign, were those who came from DS3 because they realized that invading, they can not use Estus XDDDDDDDD

man, i hate that... when i summon Dragon guys i always have crystal soul spear prepared in healing emergency

So what's the issue then? It's easy to punish and you know, that dragonbros can heal. Just don't summon them, if you're not okay with that possibility.

[Iban The Dude]

Originally posted by JellyPuff:

Originally posted by woldysz:

man, i hate that... when i summon Dragon guys i always have crystal soul spear prepared in healing emergency

So what's the issue then? It's easy to punish and you know, that dragonbros can heal. Just don't summon them, if you're not okay with that possibility.

I coment it because I found myself very funny, as people who started trying to make parry with a Caesus on DS2 XDDDDD and well, I like to farm Dragon scales because the Black Dragon set is beautiful

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by Iban The Dude:

I coment it because I found myself very funny, as people who started trying to make parry with a Caesus on DS2 XDDDDD and well, I like to farm Dragon scales because the Black Dragon set is beautiful :mehearty:

Oh your comment was fine, i was referring to @woldysz's issue of people using Estus in duels. Again, a total non-issue for me. It's a free hit and most players who do it are inexperienced and don't even know about the common duel etiquette.

It doesn't even bother me much in DS3, where you chug with lightning speed. Though, invaders being able to use Estus is stupid, because the invader already has the advantage. Most hosts are by themselves, PVP inexperienced and possibly even have less Estus at the point of invasion, than the invader.

[woldysz]

Originally posted by JellyPuff:

Originally posted by woldysz:

man, i hate that... when i summon Dragon guys i always have crystal soul spear prepared in healing emergency

So what's the issue then? It's easy to punish and you know, that dragonbros can heal. Just don't summon them, if you're not okay with that possibility.

it's issue because it's toxic. it's just annoying when you fight with running chicken for 10 minutes because he's healing all the time, he will die anyway but still tries to escape and wasting my time. i just like to fight, simply as that, and when i have opportunity to i always choose it, once summoned dragon player will be ok, and sometimes will be not. Dragon sing is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get

[JellyPuff]

Originally posted by woldysz:

Originally posted by JellyPuff:

So what's the issue then? It's easy to punish and you know, that dragonbros can heal. Just don't summon them, if you're not okay with that possibility.

it's issue because it's toxic.

It's not, though. Again estus is easy to punish, running away is easy to punish. If something annoys me for whatever reason, i just walk into the lava and don't summon them anymore.
Besides, there are far worse balancing problems promoting dragging out the fight, like shields being broken. Somehow, it's barely talked about. You are longing to fight chuggers, who likely don't even know that what they're doing can be considered rude, once you've fought a good turtler with an Estoc or Warped Sword.

If a player summoned as dragonbro notices, they actually can heal, they learn it's okay to heal. I won't blame them.

[Boreal]

Why would be toxic for Dragon Spirits to heal when one of the benefits of using the dragon eye is being able to heal? Makes no sense.