PVP Level Meta?

[Nox Tenebris]

What level are people agreeing to stop at for PVP these days? I'm figuring around SL 120 like DS3?

[✯ El Juancho]

there is no meta level, soul memory

[Nimphameth🖤]

Lvl 150-155 for the arena

[Donatela]

150-155 lvl

[Nox Tenebris]

Originally posted by Nimphameth🖤:

Lvl 150-155 for the arena

Originally posted by Капитан Огрызок:

150-155 lvl

Why so high? My build is already done at like SL 110. Is it cuz everyone is doing hybrids?

[Nimphameth🖤]

Originally posted by ;2257935717972714018:

Originally posted by Nimphameth🖤:

Lvl 150-155 for the arena

Originally posted by Капитан Огрызок:

150-155 lvl

Why so high? My build is already done at like SL 110. Is it cuz everyone is doing hybrids?

high? are you kidding i think its low, in ds2 you gain levels much faster than in 3 xD but ye its standard.

[Nox Tenebris]

Originally posted by Nimphameth🖤:

Originally posted by ;2257935717972714018:

Why so high? My build is already done at like SL 110. Is it cuz everyone is doing hybrids?

high? are you kidding i think its low, in ds2 you gain levels much faster than in 3 xD but ye its standard.

But the stats have the same soft and hard caps. The SL 120 made sense in Dark Souls 3 cuz you had to pick a build and manage what you put your stats into. Give players 35 more levels and thats a game changer, now everyone is going to be using strength and dex while not having to sacrifice healing or stamina to make it work, for example.

[Nimphameth🖤]

Originally posted by Nox Tenebris:

Originally posted by Nimphameth🖤:

high? are you kidding i think its low, in ds2 you gain levels much faster than in 3 xD but ye its standard.

But the stats have the same soft and hard caps. The SL 120 made sense in Dark Souls 3 cuz you had to pick a build and manage what you put your stats into. Give players 35 more levels and thats a game changer, now everyone is going to be using strength and dex while not having to sacrifice healing or stamina to make it work, for example.

its too low for example for a pyro/hexer if you use melee weapon which require some stats in dex and str as well. And you need more lvls since you have to put stats into adaptability. so yeah, need to go higher than 120.

[Iban The Dude]

"sOuL lEvEl 15O oR i wiLL kLoPp yoUr tHinGs... hA... Ha... hA"

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Stay in the tier of 4-7 millions and thats all. Level whatever you want. Do your build like you want.

[Nox Tenebris]

Originally posted by Nimphameth🖤:

Originally posted by Nox Tenebris:

But the stats have the same soft and hard caps. The SL 120 made sense in Dark Souls 3 cuz you had to pick a build and manage what you put your stats into. Give players 35 more levels and thats a game changer, now everyone is going to be using strength and dex while not having to sacrifice healing or stamina to make it work, for example.

its too low for example for a pyro/hexer if you use melee weapon which require some stats in dex and str as well. And you need more lvls since you have to put stats into adaptability. so yeah, need to go higher than 120.

What? If you do pyro or hexer, you find a weapon with low stat requirements and then buff the ♥♥♥♥ outta it with your spells. The spell buffs last crazy long in this game compared to DS3, so you really don't need levels for stat scaling. In fact, the meta has always been to make a weapon raw and then buff it. For a decent weapon like this, you might want like 10 strength and 10 dex, which you don't need 35 extra levels for.

[Iban The Dude]

Originally posted by Nox Tenebris:

Originally posted by Nimphameth🖤:

its too low for example for a pyro/hexer if you use melee weapon which require some stats in dex and str as well. And you need more lvls since you have to put stats into adaptability. so yeah, need to go higher than 120.

What? If you do pyro or hexer, you find a weapon with low stat requirements and then buff the ♥♥♥♥ outta it with your spells. The spell buffs last crazy long in this game compared to DS3, so you really don't need levels for stat scaling. In fact, the meta has always been to make a weapon raw and then buff it. For a decent weapon like this, you might want like 10 strength and 10 dex, which you don't need 35 extra levels for.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahmmmm... No XD

Its really $tupid stop leveling your character when the connectivity is with Soul memory and the arena completly random... The Soul level meta did in Demon's and DS1 for the connectivity... same in DS3, but here we are with SM, gad damn it....

[Nimphameth🖤]

Originally posted by Nox Tenebris:

Originally posted by Nimphameth🖤:

its too low for example for a pyro/hexer if you use melee weapon which require some stats in dex and str as well. And you need more lvls since you have to put stats into adaptability. so yeah, need to go higher than 120.

What? If you do pyro or hexer, you find a weapon with low stat requirements and then buff the ♥♥♥♥ outta it with your spells. The spell buffs last crazy long in this game compared to DS3, so you really don't need levels for stat scaling. In fact, the meta has always been to make a weapon raw and then buff it. For a decent weapon like this, you might want like 10 strength and 10 dex, which you don't need 35 extra levels for.

meh i prefer melee weapons which require more stats but its up to you really...

[Nimphameth🖤]

Originally posted by Iban The Dude:

Originally posted by Nox Tenebris:

What? If you do pyro or hexer, you find a weapon with low stat requirements and then buff the ♥♥♥♥ outta it with your spells. The spell buffs last crazy long in this game compared to DS3, so you really don't need levels for stat scaling. In fact, the meta has always been to make a weapon raw and then buff it. For a decent weapon like this, you might want like 10 strength and 10 dex, which you don't need 35 extra levels for.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahmmmm... No XD

Its really $tupid stop leveling your character when the connectivity is with Soul memory and the arena completly random... The Soul level meta did in Demon's and DS1 for the connectivity... same in DS3, but here we are with SM, gad damn it....

I was talking about the arena... good luck going there with higher lvl than 155. I had to quit with my old main bc every third duel they broke my gear and insta kill :)

[Iban The Dude]

Originally posted by Nimphameth🖤:

Originally posted by Iban The Dude:

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahmmmm... No XD

Its really $tupid stop leveling your character when the connectivity is with Soul memory and the arena completly random... The Soul level meta did in Demon's and DS1 for the connectivity... same in DS3, but here we are with SM, gad damn it....

I was talking about the arena... good luck going there with higher lvl than 155. I had to quit with my old main bc every third duel they broke my gear and insta kill :)

For that i put this coment:

Originally posted by Iban The Dude:

"sOuL lEvEl 15O oR i wiLL kLoPp yoUr tHinGs... hA... Ha... hA"

...

Stay in the tier of 4-7 millions and thats all. Level whatever you want. Do your build like you want.

NO ONE would have to force them to play in a way. NO ONE.

[Nox Tenebris]

Originally posted by Iban The Dude:

Originally posted by Nimphameth🖤:

I was talking about the arena... good luck going there with higher lvl than 155. I had to quit with my old main bc every third duel they broke my gear and insta kill :)

For that i put this coment:

Originally posted by Iban The Dude:

"sOuL lEvEl 15O oR i wiLL kLoPp yoUr tHinGs... hA... Ha... hA"

...

Stay in the tier of 4-7 millions and thats all. Level whatever you want. Do your build like you want.

NO ONE would have to force them to play in a way. NO ONE.

Mate what are you even trying to say?

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Nox Tenebris:

But the stats have the same soft and hard caps. The SL 120 made sense in Dark Souls 3 cuz you had to pick a build and manage what you put your stats into. Give players 35 more levels and thats a game changer, now everyone is going to be using strength and dex while not having to sacrifice healing or stamina to make it work, for example.

Yeah, that's how it's supposed to work. Having one particular perk, whether that's proficient usage of Dex weapons or the ability to use most weapons at least decently while still having good health and stamina. That's how it has always worked.
And you're mistaken about softcaps, stat growth differs in each of the games even if some caps might be the same.

DS3 quality build template, SL120 (DS1 is very similar):
44 Vgr (this stat has really weird scaling, it isn't a constant gain then a softcap, another constant gain and so on... it just gets smaller and smaller)
6 Atn
40 End
11 Vit
40 Str
40 Dex
8 Int
9 Fth
11 Luck

For a more Dex oriented build you'd drop Str by 20 and put that into Dex or something along those lines (Sharp infused weapons even continue to scale decently).
For a more Str oriented build nice-versa, probably even less Dex for more Vit for heavier armor for more Poise (Heavy infused weapons also continue to scale decently past 60, but you reach the 2h hardcap at 66 so there's less incentive to level this further which kinda balances with the fact that you really want heavy armor, but it's probably not intended by FromSoft like that, they excel at making poor balancing decisions.
Quality builds scarifice power, but can use almost every weapon at least well, even if they aren't optimal.

DS2 template:
50 Vgr
40 End
11 Vit
2 Atn
40 Str
40 Dex
33 Adp (DS1/3 fastroll equivalent)
1 Int
8 Fth
But it's SL172

Truth to be told, noone really does this, I just did it for a more logical comparison. Scaling in general is pretty weak in this game and only like 5 weapons even have noteworthy scaling in more than one stat and thus the general template is either 20/40 or 40/20 depending on whether you rather want to favor Str or Dex weapons. Which puts you around SL150.

I could do something similar for caster and all kinds of other ♥♥♥♥, but the point should've come across already.