Falchion vs Rapier vs estoc vs Uchigatana?

[PROPHET]

Which one goes better early game for a dex user? I'm a curved sword user from DS3 days btw...

[abysswalker]

rapier is best choice, its broken in this game. just spam r1 and you will destroy everything.

[PROPHET]

Publicado originalmente por SPITFIRE:

rapier is best choice, its broken in this game. just spam r1 and you will destroy everything.

Damn...but isn't estoc a rapier as well?

[TrueArchery]

Publicado originalmente por PROPHET:

Publicado originalmente por SPITFIRE:

rapier is best choice, its broken in this game. just spam r1 and you will destroy everything.

Damn...but isn't estoc a rapier as well?

It has less counter damage

[abysswalker]

Publicado originalmente por PROPHET:

Publicado originalmente por SPITFIRE:

rapier is best choice, its broken in this game. just spam r1 and you will destroy everything.

Damn...but isn't estoc a rapier as well?

estoc is a str weapon. not quite fitting for a dex user.

[PROPHET]

Publicado originalmente por TrueArchery:

Publicado originalmente por PROPHET:

Damn...but isn't estoc a rapier as well?

It has less counter damage

Publicado originalmente por SPITFIRE:

Publicado originalmente por PROPHET:

Damn...but isn't estoc a rapier as well?

estoc is a str weapon. not quite fitting for a dex user.

Okay...so Rapier, great! Just wanna clarify one thing though, counter damage means damage when both, opponent and myself, get hit simultaneously but my hit will just shred them away or it's like they are about to hit me but I got the 1st hit?

[abysswalker]

Publicado originalmente por PROPHET:

Publicado originalmente por TrueArchery:

It has less counter damage

Publicado originalmente por SPITFIRE:

estoc is a str weapon. not quite fitting for a dex user.

Okay...so Rapier, great! Just wanna clarify one thing though, counter damage means damage when both, opponent and myself, get hit simultaneously but my hit will just shred them away or it's like they are about to hit me but I got the 1st hit?

http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/counter
its all about their poise. you must check poise breakpoints and hyper armor

[JellyPuff]

You don't have to get hit at the same time to deal counter-damage. hitting your opponent at any time during their attacks applies counter damage. (not sure about the start animation of long wind-up attacks).

Ideal scenario: They attack, whiff and you attack while your opponent is still locked in his attack-recovery animation. If the weapon you attacked with has 130 counter damage, you get a damage bonus of 30%.

[PROPHET]

Publicado originalmente por Jellypuff:

You don't have to get hit at the same time to deal counter-damage. hitting your opponent at any time during their attacks applies counter damage. (not sure about the start animation of long wind-up attacka).

Ideal scenario: They attack, whiff and you attack while your opponent is still locked in his attack-recovery animation. If the weapon you attacked with has 130 counter damage, you get a damage bonus of 30%.

Thanks man...greatly appreciated! Now everything is clear to me....Thank you!

[PROPHET]

Publicado originalmente por SPITFIRE:

Publicado originalmente por PROPHET:

Okay...so Rapier, great! Just wanna clarify one thing though, counter damage means damage when both, opponent and myself, get hit simultaneously but my hit will just shred them away or it's like they are about to hit me but I got the 1st hit?

http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/counter
its all about their poise. you must check poise breakpoints and hyper armor

Thanks for the info..I'll check it accordingly....

[TrueArchery]

Publicado originalmente por SPITFIRE:

its all about their poise. you must check poise breakpoints and hyper armor

Counter damage windows have nothing to do with poise...

[abysswalker]

Publicado originalmente por TrueArchery:

Publicado originalmente por SPITFIRE:

its all about their poise. you must check poise breakpoints and hyper armor

Counter damage windows have nothing to do with poise...

he said 'shredding them away', so he is curious about poise-breaking and staggering (and counter damages effect on these things)

[Call Sign: Raven]

Counter damage is much, much easier to interpret in Dark Souls 2, more than any other game.

Is the enemy performing an attack animation during your hit?

Yes: you get counter damage

No: you get normal damage

The timing window is absolutely absurd, especially on the fights with big, lumbering bosses. As an example, if Sir Alonne does his thrust move and I dodge right and get to attack with a Rapier 2-3 times, I get counter damage on the first 2 Rapier hits; it's that long!

Seriously, counter damage is INSANE. Get a Rapier, get the Old Leo Ring, add a buff to the weapon and get ready to breeze through the game.