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PROPHET Aug 22, 2018 @ 8:56am
Falchion vs Rapier vs estoc vs Uchigatana?
Which one goes better early game for a dex user? I'm a curved sword user from DS3 days btw...
Last edited by PROPHET; Aug 22, 2018 @ 8:59am
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abysswalker Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:08am 
rapier is best choice, its broken in this game. just spam r1 and you will destroy everything.
Last edited by abysswalker; Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:09am
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PROPHET Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:19am 
Originally posted by SPITFIRE:
rapier is best choice, its broken in this game. just spam r1 and you will destroy everything.
Damn...but isn't estoc a rapier as well?
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TrueArchery Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:23am 
Originally posted by PROPHET:
Originally posted by SPITFIRE:
rapier is best choice, its broken in this game. just spam r1 and you will destroy everything.
Damn...but isn't estoc a rapier as well?
It has less counter damage
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abysswalker Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:26am 
Originally posted by PROPHET:
Originally posted by SPITFIRE:
rapier is best choice, its broken in this game. just spam r1 and you will destroy everything.
Damn...but isn't estoc a rapier as well?
estoc is a str weapon. not quite fitting for a dex user.
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PROPHET Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by TrueArchery:
Originally posted by PROPHET:
Damn...but isn't estoc a rapier as well?
It has less counter damage


Originally posted by SPITFIRE:
Originally posted by PROPHET:
Damn...but isn't estoc a rapier as well?
estoc is a str weapon. not quite fitting for a dex user.
Okay...so Rapier, great! Just wanna clarify one thing though, counter damage means damage when both, opponent and myself, get hit simultaneously but my hit will just shred them away or it's like they are about to hit me but I got the 1st hit?
Last edited by PROPHET; Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:30am
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abysswalker Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:35am 
Originally posted by PROPHET:
Originally posted by TrueArchery:
It has less counter damage


Originally posted by SPITFIRE:
estoc is a str weapon. not quite fitting for a dex user.
Okay...so Rapier, great! Just wanna clarify one thing though, counter damage means damage when both, opponent and myself, get hit simultaneously but my hit will just shred them away or it's like they are about to hit me but I got the 1st hit?
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/counter
its all about their poise. you must check poise breakpoints and hyper armor
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JellyPuff Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:37am 
You don't have to get hit at the same time to deal counter-damage. hitting your opponent at any time during their attacks applies counter damage. (not sure about the start animation of long wind-up attacks).

Ideal scenario: They attack, whiff and you attack while your opponent is still locked in his attack-recovery animation. If the weapon you attacked with has 130 counter damage, you get a damage bonus of 30%.
Last edited by JellyPuff; Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:43am
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PROPHET Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:40am 
Originally posted by Jellypuff:
You don't have to get hit at the same time to deal counter-damage. hitting your opponent at any time during their attacks applies counter damage. (not sure about the start animation of long wind-up attacka).

Ideal scenario: They attack, whiff and you attack while your opponent is still locked in his attack-recovery animation. If the weapon you attacked with has 130 counter damage, you get a damage bonus of 30%.
Thanks man...greatly appreciated! Now everything is clear to me....Thank you!
Last edited by PROPHET; Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:40am
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PROPHET Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:41am 
Originally posted by SPITFIRE:
Originally posted by PROPHET:



Okay...so Rapier, great! Just wanna clarify one thing though, counter damage means damage when both, opponent and myself, get hit simultaneously but my hit will just shred them away or it's like they are about to hit me but I got the 1st hit?
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/counter
its all about their poise. you must check poise breakpoints and hyper armor
Thanks for the info..I'll check it accordingly....
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TrueArchery Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:43am 
Originally posted by SPITFIRE:
its all about their poise. you must check poise breakpoints and hyper armor
Counter damage windows have nothing to do with poise...
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abysswalker Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:46am 
Originally posted by TrueArchery:
Originally posted by SPITFIRE:
its all about their poise. you must check poise breakpoints and hyper armor
Counter damage windows have nothing to do with poise...
he said 'shredding them away', so he is curious about poise-breaking and staggering (and counter damages effect on these things)
Last edited by abysswalker; Aug 22, 2018 @ 9:47am
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Call Sign: Raven Aug 22, 2018 @ 8:41pm 
Counter damage is much, much easier to interpret in Dark Souls 2, more than any other game.

Is the enemy performing an attack animation during your hit?

Yes: you get counter damage

No: you get normal damage

The timing window is absolutely absurd, especially on the fights with big, lumbering bosses. As an example, if Sir Alonne does his thrust move and I dodge right and get to attack with a Rapier 2-3 times, I get counter damage on the first 2 Rapier hits; it's that long!

Seriously, counter damage is INSANE. Get a Rapier, get the Old Leo Ring, add a buff to the weapon and get ready to breeze through the game.
Last edited by Call Sign: Raven; Aug 22, 2018 @ 8:42pm
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