Pyromancy or Miracles?

[shinz]

trying to do a melee (something) although i dont know which of these to use.

also how do you know how to increase spell uses (getting 20 lightning spear or something)?
and do pyromancy/miracle scale through upgrading int or faith?

[guy.lateur]

Originally posted by shinchilla:

also how do you know how to increase spell uses (getting 20 lightning spear or something)?

http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/attunement

Originally posted by shinchilla:

and do pyromancy/miracle scale through upgrading int or faith?

yes

[shinz]

Originally posted by Azrael:

Originally posted by shinchilla:

trying to do a melee (something) although i dont know which of these to use.

also how do you know how to increase spell uses (getting 20 lightning spear or something)?
and do pyromancy/miracle scale through upgrading int or faith?

i heard that miracles are nerfed down quit a bit after the patches , so they are not as powerful as they were before but they still do pack a punch if you are willing to put a lot of points in faith that is .

Attunement increases no of slots in which you can equip spells/miracles . Equiping the same mirace/spell multiple times increases the no of times you can cast it . For example if you equip lightning spear ( 3 casts ) twice you can cast it 6 times . This no. also increases based on how many points you have in attunement . You can find multiple copies of same spell/miracle by finding them in chests/bodies , buying them and finally going to ng+.

I believe pyromancy scales with both Int and faith.
But in case you are opting for miracles then i would not suggest putting points in Int just for pyromancy . Just use it when you think it would be usefull , like certain bosses beacome a lot easier when you use pyromancy . Otherwise just stick with miracles

so miracles scale with faith only? if it does, suppose ill go miracle as its easier to focus. and kinda thinking how useful the heals are

[shinz]

Originally posted by Azrael:

Originally posted by shinchilla:

so miracles scale with faith only? if it does, suppose ill go miracle as its easier to focus. and kinda thinking how useful the heals are

Yes micracles scale with faith only
Socceries scale with Int
Hexes scale with both int and faith ( only if equal points in both )

You can still use pyromancy though if you want , it will still be pretty effective.

I don't think you will get enough time to use healing miracles in between battles , They are really effective if you can find window to cast them . I usually use healing miracles after i am done with mobs and save estus for bosses

thanks alot. im still early in the game, so all my points are still put on the vital attributes. sad though, i thought upgrading the pyromancy flame will be enough to make pyro stronger, just so i save souls for other stats. lel nearly upgraded it

[Rosario]

If your main focus is melee, might also want to look into the various weapon spells from each magic type and build up a spell-sword.

[shinz]

Originally posted by Rosario:

If your main focus is melee, might also want to look into the various weapon spells from each magic type and build up a spell-sword.

lol that sounds great!

[supersand]

I would say just use the one you like the theme of more, they are both viable. Pyromancer might be easier to start with thou since you only have to go to No Mans Wharf for it, where Miracles might take awhile to put together unless you buy some from Licia.

[shinz]

Originally posted by poppy:

I would say just use the one you like the theme of more, they are both viable. Pyromancer might be easier to start with thou since you only have to go to No Mans Wharf for it, where Miracles might take awhile to put together unless you buy some from Licia.

thats true. flame is quite cool and fairly easy to acquire (just flame weapon and flame swath and i think im good to go). i did get the fire longsword as well. although its just weird that it scales on both faith and int. i dont know which one to level. should i just go equal on both? (20/20 or something)

[supersand]

Originally posted by shinchilla:

Originally posted by poppy:

I would say just use the one you like the theme of more, they are both viable. Pyromancer might be easier to start with thou since you only have to go to No Mans Wharf for it, where Miracles might take awhile to put together unless you buy some from Licia.

thats true. flame is quite cool and fairly easy to acquire (just flame weapon and flame swath and i think im good to go). i did get the fire longsword as well. although its just weird that it scales on both faith and int. i dont know which one to level. should i just go equal on both? (20/20 or something)

just keep an eye on your Fire Bonus when leveling up, choose the one that gives you a better bonus.

Here is a table off the wiki, wiki says just adding your int and faith then dividing by 2 is what the scaling does, so you could just level one stat and be fine, you could even be a Pyromancer and a Miracle user later in the game.
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/fire-atk-bonus

[Boxxy]

Originally posted by poppy:

Originally posted by shinchilla:

thats true. flame is quite cool and fairly easy to acquire (just flame weapon and flame swath and i think im good to go). i did get the fire longsword as well. although its just weird that it scales on both faith and int. i dont know which one to level. should i just go equal on both? (20/20 or something)

just keep an eye on your Fire Bonus when leveling up, choose the one that gives you a better bonus.

Here is a table off the wiki, wiki says just adding your int and faith then dividing by 2 is what the scaling does, so you could just level one stat and be fine, you could even be a Pyromancer and a Miracle user later in the game.
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/fire-atk-bonus

So it means you dont even need to mix intel/faith to hit the fire damage soft cap. You could essentially build for miracles how you wanted and pyromancy wouldnt be too awful bad. However you would be unable to make good use of dark since it scales kinda based off of the lowest of the two between faith/intel.

[shinz]

Originally posted by Sylvanas:

Originally posted by poppy:

just keep an eye on your Fire Bonus when leveling up, choose the one that gives you a better bonus.

Here is a table off the wiki, wiki says just adding your int and faith then dividing by 2 is what the scaling does, so you could just level one stat and be fine, you could even be a Pyromancer and a Miracle user later in the game.
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/fire-atk-bonus

So it means you dont even need to mix intel/faith to hit the fire damage soft cap. You could essentially build for miracles how you wanted and pyromancy wouldnt be too awful bad. However you would be unable to make good use of dark since it scales kinda based off of the lowest of the two between faith/intel.

I see. Think im cool with that, im not really too bothered with dark. Planning to go int+0 fth+60 (if that works)

[supersand]

Originally posted by shinchilla:

Originally posted by Sylvanas:

So it means you dont even need to mix intel/faith to hit the fire damage soft cap. You could essentially build for miracles how you wanted and pyromancy wouldnt be too awful bad. However you would be unable to make good use of dark since it scales kinda based off of the lowest of the two between faith/intel.

I see. Think im cool with that, im not really too bothered with dark. Planning to go int+0 fth+60 (if that works)

Yup, that works out. Thou remember you'll want some intelligence for talking to Straid and other NPCs.

[shinz]

thanks everyone!