Ninja build suggestions?

[ThatRabbit]

VGR:20
END:20
VIT: 15
STR: 40
DEX: 40
ADP: 35

Power Stance: Caestus+10
Rings: Life ring+1, Simpletons Ring, Ring of Blades+ 1, Chlo Ring+1

Equip Belt, Healing crap, Poison Throwing Knives, Poison Resin.

Any suggestions?

[TrueArchery]

Originally posted by Rogue1:

Originally posted by TrueArchery:

They do though.
Also, Covenant of Champions.


Only true for NG+. (which the bonfire seems to be)

I have been using cov of champions to farm the one at 3rd bonfire at Earthen peak but he dropped two items then hasn't dropped anything in 26+ times. Is that normal even with full farming?

It's still rng

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[King Robert Baratheon]

I would recommend dual wielding bleed infused shadow daggers and despite what some people think (because I did a build like this before, posted about it, got negative feedback) Mytha's Bent Blade (which is made from the soul of Mytha, The Baneful Queen) is pretty op once it's fully upgraded.You can get two of mytha's bent blade if you burn a bonfire ascetic at the bonfire right above her boss room. You can't infuse them with poison but the poison it already has is basically toxic. If you couple that with the engraved gauntlets, the rat covenant ring (which increases the potency of poison weapons), and the stone ring you'll be stunlocking and toxic-ing enemies very fast. Also if you can get the sanctum knight gauntlets from the Sunken King DLC those also improve poison weapons (so you have to decide what's better for you, the chance of critical hits with the engraved gauntlets or poisoning your enemies faster). Also i just remembered about the Ivory Warrior ring which reduces the stamina of an enemy by a lot. There's too many good rings for a ninja build so it's kind of hard what to go with. I mean chloranthy+2 is ideal for serious stamina regen of course. Hopefully you'll be the one stunlocking people with your blazing daggers but if you don't use light armor with decent poise (such a thing exists...lol) or the ring of giants +1 or +2 then you won't be able to easily just go full ninja assassin on enemies. Also in pvp as a ninja you have to super unpredictable. Watch how those Suspicious Shadows in No Man's Wharf move around (or better yet in the NG+ Flexile Sentry fight, the suspicious shadows there are insane). There's also one right before Mytha of course.

Sorry for the wall of text but I love making ninja builds work.

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Originally posted by Knight's Honor:

dual wielding bleed infused shadow daggers

Are you serious? Infusing shadow dagger that has B scaling in STR is just retrded.

[King Robert Baratheon]

Originally posted by You do:

Originally posted by Knight's Honor:

dual wielding bleed infused shadow daggers

Are you serious? Infusing shadow dagger that has S scaling in STR is just retarded.

I did it once before and they were still op. See how fast people take a sh*t on my suggestions, lol. Also I never knew it had S scaling in str. I don't believe you to be honest considering that it's a freaking dagger you're meant to have two of to dual wield.

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Originally posted by Knight's Honor:

Originally posted by You do:

Are you serious? Infusing shadow dagger that has S scaling in STR is just retarded.

I did it once before and they were still op. See how fast people take a sh*t on my suggestions, lol. Also I never knew it had S scaling in str. I don't believe you to be honest considering that it's a freaking dagger you're meant to have two of to dual wield.

It's B, I corrected myself, still it's way too high to be worth infusing. It's the only STR based dagger iirc.

If you want a good bleed dagger use thief dagger. Charriot lance goes well with it.

[King Robert Baratheon]

Originally posted by You do:

Originally posted by Knight's Honor:

I did it once before and they were still op. See how fast people take a sh*t on my suggestions, lol. Also I never knew it had S scaling in str. I don't believe you to be honest considering that it's a freaking dagger you're meant to have two of to dual wield.

It's B, I corrected myself, still it's way too high to be worth infusing. It's the only STR based sagger iirc.

Yeah I just checked here: http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Shadow+Dagger

It's interesting that it has higher STR scaling than dex but still if you do it right a bleed build with dual wielding any bleed infused daggers is actually op (using the shadow gauntlets and Brotherhood of Blood ring for extra bleed damage). Also if you don't want to use daggers for a bleed build the Flamberge is great when infused with bleed. I used both in a assassin build I used to have.

[King Robert Baratheon]

Originally posted by You do:

Originally posted by Knight's Honor:

I did it once before and they were still op. See how fast people take a sh*t on my suggestions, lol. Also I never knew it had S scaling in str. I don't believe you to be honest considering that it's a freaking dagger you're meant to have two of to dual wield.

It's B, I corrected myself, still it's way too high to be worth infusing. It's the only STR based dagger iirc.

If you want a good bleed dagger use thief dagger. Charriot lance goes well with it.

I think that kind of ruins a ninja build to suddenly whip out a huge lance. I would laugh and then shake my head if I saw someone do that.

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Originally posted by Knight's Honor:

Originally posted by You do:

It's B, I corrected myself, still it's way too high to be worth infusing. It's the only STR based sagger iirc.

Yeah I just checked here: {LINK REMOVED}http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Shadow+Dagger

It's interesting that it has higher STR scaling than dex but still if you do it right a bleed build with dual wielding any bleed infused daggers is actually op (using the shadow gauntlets and Brotherhood of Blood ring for extra bleed damage). Also if you don't want to use daggers for a bleed build the Flamberge is great when infused with bleed. I used both in a assassin build I used to have.

It's very hard to bleed someone with a flamberge. Good bleed weapons are: bleed infused heide knight sword, charriot lance, bleed infused thief dagger, bleed infused forlorn scythe (for backstabs), and MAYBE ashen warrior sword (partial on that one).

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Originally posted by Knight's Honor:

Originally posted by You do:

It's B, I corrected myself, still it's way too high to be worth infusing. It's the only STR based dagger iirc.

If you want a good bleed dagger use thief dagger. Charriot lance goes well with it.

I think that kind of ruins a ninja build to suddenly whip out a huge lance. I would laugh and then shake my head if I saw someone do that.

It's a surprise, ninjas are all about surprises, right :D
jk yeah would be pretty funny.

[King Robert Baratheon]

Originally posted by You do:

Originally posted by Knight's Honor:

I think that kind of ruins a ninja build to suddenly whip out a huge lance. I would laugh and then shake my head if I saw someone do that.

It's a surprise, ninjas are all about surprises, right :D
jk yeah would be pretty funny.

Could work to someone's expect advantage. No one expects a ninja to suddenly charge at you with a big freaking lance. I prefer to stick to my roleplay when I do a specific build.

[King Robert Baratheon]

Originally posted by You do:

Originally posted by Knight's Honor:

Yeah I just checked here: http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Shadow+Dagger

It's interesting that it has higher STR scaling than dex but still if you do it right a bleed build with dual wielding any bleed infused daggers is actually op (using the shadow gauntlets and Brotherhood of Blood ring for extra bleed damage). Also if you don't want to use daggers for a bleed build the Flamberge is great when infused with bleed. I used both in a assassin build I used to have.

It's very hard to bleed someone with a flamberge. Good bleed weapons are: bleed infused heide knight sword, charriot lance, bleed infused thief dagger, bleed infused forlorn scythe (for backstabs), and MAYBE ashen warrior sword (partial on that one).

All good suggestions but the flamberge is still pretty good imo. I love the one handed r2 moveset. Perfect mix of stabs and spin to win. Also the thing about forlorn weapons is that they scale with hollowing. Found that out in disappointment the other day when even though I had enough stats to use the forlorn greatsword I was still getting NEGATIVE stat bonuses on its damage because I was human (not even close to full hollow mode).

[King Robert Baratheon]

Another thing, that's sacrilege to infuse a Heide Knight sword with bleed. It has lightning already on it and it's the best thing you could get early for a quality melee-faith build (meaning you level strength and dex almost equally).

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Originally posted by Knight's Honor:

Another thing, that's sacrilege to infuse a Heide Knight sword with bleed. It has lightning already on it and it's the best thing you could get early for a quality melee-faith build (meaning you level strength and dex almost equally).

Heide weapons are the best poison and bleed weapons. I know it may sound odd, but they proc poison/bleed much faster than other weapons.

[TrueArchery]

A Bleed Flamberge is bad. Like, its damage is garbage and the bleed just doesn't trigger unless you're fighting a turtle. I tried it. I really tried. It's so ineffective. It's a good normal Dex-GS due to its length and moveset, but it's a very bad Bleed-weapon.
Bleed Shadow Daggers aren't OP. You essentially kill their damage in order to have a very unreliable 200 flat bonus that you'd have inflicted in 3 strikes with uninfused ones anyways.
Overall it's hilarious to call Bleed-build OP. They're so bad in comparison to just using the regular version. You free your glove slot, a ring slot, have more damage, have reliable damage and aren't countered hard be someone waiting for the bar you worked so hard for to deplete. In PvE the stamina-effect isn't even a thing, you just lose lots of regular damage for a flat 200 bleed-damage. The only real use is against Vendrick without any Giant Souls, but who'd do that anyway.

Neither are Bentblades. Their toxic isn't affected by any Poison-increasing gear, their regular Poison-buildup is worse than a Poison-infused Dagger's ones, you cannot buff them and the total AR is low. Yeah, they work, but they're far from good or even "OP".

The Heide Knight Sword has some kind of really broken Poison-AR after you infuse it with a Poison Stone. Same with Bleed. It's pretty hilarious, 191 base. 191.

The Ivory King Ring only works against blocking opponents, it's no good ring to use. Or extremely situational. I'd rather use a shieldpiercing (or elemental) weapon and chip the HP away.

I'd rather go for a Bleed Bandit's Knife than a Thief Dagger, it has more counter and a bit more AR and a tiny bit more Bleed - it also benefits more from the Bleed-gear as it is an innate Bleed-weapon.

Oh, and Poison or Bleed Claws are a nice option to inflict a status, too!